IndieAgora

Kevin Logan made a good point - hundreds die everyday in Iraq abd Syria due to terrorism, where was their candlelight vigil? This is what gives radical views credence as they know we don't value their struggle, the media excessively reports and covers the deaths of 4 in London, but not 100-400 per day in Syria.

To me, terrorist means any army that is not authorised by the state.

The best way to logically attack them is to use their own definitions of terrorism against them. But then you realize they have started to broaden definitions, and that there is in fact no agreed upon universal definition. Oh, no [emoji44].


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I would argue though that the most beneficial definition would have been: any attack against civilians motivated by any general ideological, political, or religious beliefs.

I can't accept this as a terrorist attack, the location is political, but he just looks like a lone looney.


That is something I can believe more that it is just a lone looney. Someone hoping for attention or misguided.

So, this stuff seems extra weird and fake, in the sense of being some government bullsh*t scam on the public, when right now there is every conceivable logical reason for mass t*rror, but everyone everywhere is dead silent and practically nothing is being reported of this nature? Lol, ridiculous. It is even weirder that the maniacs on the truest k*lling spree now are not staging more false flag attacks everywhere in the world to justify their actions and keep people from showing their support for the victims. It is like they don't want to spend another cent on convincing anyone who they've securely bought into letting them do whatever they please and that the ridiculous initial attack on their people was enough for apparently the world. I still think they have all this up their sleeve for later but have not felt the need to deploy these cards yet and are doing just fine without it, but things might go a whole lot smoother for them if they were to stage a few "Islamic T*rr*r" events worldwide, and it would even seem a lot less fake in these circumstances, just like this total silence for two years makes "Islamic T*rr*r" seem like it was never real at all (which of course many people didn't really believe anyway since even nine II, oh look, its the two.

No t*rr*r on Iz, in America, among the allies, everyone just so quiet and cuddled up during the most dramatic thing to ever happen to a Muslim population since maybe ever, but otherwise in recent history.

That shows just how totally impotent and powerless the Muslim population always has been, it has always been a fake threat and a made up thing entirely, the Muslims are sitting ducks and fish in a barrel, an easy target to massacre and enslave, and making them out to be really energetic monsters was always a wholly government funded ploy and deception to mobilize resources for war profiteering projects and money laundering on an unprecedented scale, its total theft from the public, taxes, and all the various nations' resources.

I would like, though not straightforwardly "like" as in being pleased by it, the maniac Western Powers led by the mad attack dog Iz, to go ahead now and start the mass slaughter of every Muslim population worldwide and every Muslim specifically, since they've shown how much impunity they have in killing Muslims at least, and to go ahead also and fully put to ruin and total destruction every single Muslim site, especially "The Two Holiest Sites" of Mecca and the Dome Of The Rock.

I want them to be so blatant, and then I'll watch how even then "Islamic T*rr*r" seems to suddenly not exist at all when it would make perfect sense to exist at that point, and how totally impotent and without help or hero the population are.

Any Muslim who would want some kind of cooperation and participation with these Governments and Institutions which have shown their true colors would be nothing in my view but Uncle Tom types and Collaborators. Uncle Tom actually might have had an opposite meaning, but at this point it means a House Slave slobbering up the crumbs, a pathetic sycophant and Stockholm Syndrome slave and Simp, "Oh yes please, beate some more, I deserve it, you are so wise and righteous and beautiful and just".

Suddenly, even "crazy people" seem to be very busy and occupied and aren't lashing out? It makes their stories also seem fake then too.

Nobody wants to die, and even the suicidal people can't seem to do anything dramatic to make change, somehow it seems like we're living in a pre-filmed TV show, everyone is already dead and gone, and the people feel like they can do nothing and are clinging for dear like to their miserable lives? They were suicidal earlier, why can't they do anything with that suddenly if they are going anyway? Nope, nothing, like it was all strictly under control this whole time and nothing was ever natural or true if it appeared promoted on the screens to any amount of people.



It would take one truly suicidal person to find an opportunity to get something done, but if the government hasn't been part of the show, apparently there is no such person in the whole world's population of supposedly billions. All we get are people who k*ll little children and torture tiny animals.

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@Grantofglyn
4 years ago
I hear this as a dark song too. And I kind of relate to what I interpret it as. I see it as asking why life isn't getting better and why happiness is still absent after waiting for so long. Asking why things keep going wrong and wanting to give up and call it a night but you can see a lot of beauty in life and life is weird and unpredictable so you just want to hold on.

@StevenFramed
3 years ago
Dude, honest mode: I feel what you're getting at. All around, I think what the notion is... whether you are prepared to hear it or not... He, they, anyone from that ivory tower is kind of saying... hey, I don't care, you are down there nobody cares... ooohh aaawaghohhh,,,,,.... you know the songs today. Anyway, it's as sad as it seems. You do something legitimately perfect, and somebody from the "wayup" says, NO. And now it is for you to go and dig and dirt and feel obsessed and do everything you can, when the few are "overlording" above, acting like they even have the right to do that. And even though you are above THAT, and above what I'm saying right now, and doing everything you motherloving can do to make the difference. It just... I don't know. Have faith, love each other, and let's get each other's backs

@DOmni-gb2lj
2 months ago
I agree with this perfect expression of song. Life is narcisistic.
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https://whiskeyclone.net/ghost/songinfo.php?songID=1508

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Written by: Beck Hansen, Greg Kurstin

Versions:
Dear Life
Available on Colors.
Credits

Lyrics:
Dear Life [Version (a)]:

You sang your swan song to the dogs
As they made mincemeat of the dreams you hung your hopes on
So if you counted out what your sins cost
While money talks to your conscience
Working like a fool for love

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone?

You drove your Rolls into the swamp
Stole away like a thief reeling from the sticker shock
Of the price they put upon your soul
You'd buy it back from the burning ashes
Of the devil you know

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone?

Dear Life, come and pick me up
Dear Life, I think the button is stuck
Dear Life, I think it's gone too far
Dear Life, please lower the bar lower than the stars

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone? The Song:

"Dear Life" was first mentioned in some press as a part of Beck's upcoming 2016 album. That album didn't come out then, but finally was released in October 2017 as Colors.

Beck gave a pretty detailed explanation of how they created "Dear Life" to NYMag in Sept. 2017, and it tracks with what he told some other interviews. (That's where much of this technical description has been derived from.)

Beck has explained that "Dear Life" was the first song he did with Greg Kurstin, way back in "January or February of 2013." They got together, talked about what music they both liked a bit, "got up and jammed," and "Dear Life" was the result. Beck called it like the "natural default setting as musicians and songwriters, like the equivalent of putting on your favorite shirt and just hanging around the house." The jam was a joy and they tried some things: "we were trading chords back and forth, and Kurstin hit on the chorus and the weird turnaround." Beck sang a melody, and that became the chorus.

After that, Kurstin was about to leave, and Beck said "wait, I've got the chords for the verse" so they recorded it real quick on a phone. The next morning, Beck woke up with the intro (he called it "that kind of Kinks-y, Beatles-y little dandy piano part"), which Greg played on an old piano. Next, Beck wrote the bridge, which he said he improvised while walking to the car. He also improvised the first verse as well, "just scribbled that down."

This initial work was exciting and they thought "We should do a whole album like this," but unfortunately it was immediately put on hold for eight months, because Kurstin was busy. Beck went and did Morning Phase. When they got back together, they took the album in a different direction. But also still wanted to finish "Dear Life." Beck realized, "oh shit, we don't have lyrics for the second verse yet." Beck claims he tried "a hundred different versions" and then it also took "days trying to get the vocal to match the first verse."

In the end, Greg played most of the instruments on the song, and Beck was excited most about the guitar sound from the 1954 LEs Paul Goldtop through a Vox AC30, calling it a very "White Album" tone.

Lyrically, Beck says "Dear Life" is a "little darker than any of the other songs" and they consciously stopped themselves from going any further. Beck says "Dear Life" is "about how you can go through really rough periods and there's a certain point where you say 'Life, just take me, show me what I'm supposed to do; I surrender.'" He has also said it is about "the turmoil of being alive. Like, can somebody throw me a lifeline here?"

And with those ideas, the song feels like a more mature version of something like "Loser." As Beck said, there's a point where you surrender to life, which lines up with the "why don't you kill me?" of "Loser." In the earlier song, Beck was looking at his rough life when compared to others. On "Dear Life", though, he recognizes that there are pendulum swings to life and that if he can just hold on, life will "come and pick me up." It's a much more mature version of surrender. Instead of giving up, it's waiting it out, knowing that thrills arise just by going with the flows, and experiencing the ups and downs.

In both "Loser" and "Dear Life," Beck is using other people's situations to reflect on his own reality. While "Loser" was written in first-person and "Dear Life" is pointed at an unknown "you," correlations arise. In "Dear Life," Beck writes of someone driving their Rolls into the swamp ("stock car flaming with a loser in the cruise control"), sinning without remorse ("the daytime crap of a folksinging slob"), working just for money not happiness or artistry ("the forces of evil on a bozo nightmare"). But in the end, "Dear Life" is a far less cynical look, where instead of saying 'stop this life!', the singer pleads for the ability to just hold on for, well, dear life.
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Hope you don't mind my effort in broadening the theme here. I hope that even the most specific and narrow threads could be brought back into circulation and made into interesting and powerful meditations.



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@HighSpeedNoDrag
3 years ago
Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake.
Pol Pot, circa 1975

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@michaellupton335
3 years ago
Why?
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Pretty good mobility, I've always hated these impossible to hurt looking cowardly costumes, like how the modern people are sometimes fully armored with guns and busting into people's rooms who are practically naked and unarmed and how they, being pathetic cowards and terrified weaklings at heart, totally overwhelm the unarmed who don't stand a chance.

Based on this armor, it appears that it was something that was done since ancient times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendra_panoply

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It’s impossible to know how many Iranians are currently calling for the fall of the country’s conservative Ayatollah, Ali Khamenei. A blanket internet shutdown in place, and with protests largely taking place at night, keeping track is not easy.

But that hasn’t stopped western elites, with no skin in the Iranian game, lecturing from the safety of what they take to be the moral high ground, but which is in fact the intellectual basement.

“Stand with the protesters,” they demand, happily also standing with Tommy Robinson and assorted warmongers.

Those who exercise caution have come in for the strongest criticism. But those shouting the loudest have yet to consider that, amongst the protesters, the singular call to end the regime may disguise many potential futures.Outside Iran, contenders for a new leadership abound.

Chief amongst them is Reza Pahlavi, son of the last Shah of Iran, deposed by the 1979 Islamic revolution. It’s unlikely that Pahlavi – who vocally encouraged Israel’s bombing of his countrymen last summer – nor any of the other external reformist candidates in exile will have the political support to unite a majority of Iran’s 90 million citizens.

That means they’d need forceful propping up – with the US standing ready to lend a hand.
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Similarly, the people fighting Trump in the U.S.A. may be, in some or many cases without desiring to, fighting for the "stability" of the status quo, which was maniacal and in many ways much more vicious and despicable than anything Trump has actually done so far.

The dream is a complete collapse of all the things inhibiting the liberty and freedom of movement, opportunities, needs being met, and comforts and luxuries which come with improved quality of life. Nations dhould cease to exist and turn into borderless micro territories based only on demographics. There should be worldwide demilitarization and the end of bullying from governments hording up all the weapons, and power should go back to the majority everywhere. Tiny and often evil minority groups dominating governments against the norms of the populace should also be abolished, and something closer to democracy and more than that separated and independent freedom and sovereignity for families snd individuals should be where lives and times are spent. Civic interference and forced involvement of impositions should end. No one should be running the lives of others really, and criminals should be torn limb from limb ideally to bring fear and decency from the terror of what people may say or do. A world of anarchy and freedom, like the stepped, empty, and not forced in polluted cities, nor should there be a necessity for work or surviving in these ways which only really benefit a few. If governing bodies exist, they should only exist to serve and enhance things for everyone everywhere without limits and boundaries or delay, and if such with a duty and obligation like that is found to have betrayed the people and worked for the interest of a few in a way that harmed people, the consequences should be so severe and public to again discourage anyone from ever trying to behave in any other way than servile to the public interest in a very transparent way that is beyond reproach.

Iran is very obviously being attacked by people who have long wished ill on the Iranian people and are pretty openly bringing about, along with horrific acts of using flamethrowers, destroying businesses, and putting people in grave danger, not seemingly really impacting the government or people working for the government all that much, plus most people in Iran probably don't didlike the government since the outsiders seem to constantly harass them, so that they don't have time to mind their gobernment as much as if they were not being constantly threatened, but they likely wish for more overall prosperity that eould come if the U.S.A. and their little evil adopted bastard son wasn't trying to kill every Muslim and oppress every "brown and black" person, that they don't consider people, across the globe.

Russia and China are like big mountains along eith U.S.A., and each is pretty terrible and oppressive and really should not exist, along with India, they should be broken into the tiniest little fragments with each different population minding their own business and barely aware or caring ehat evrn their own people are doing, but instead we have multiple extremely invasive police states practically under martial law, pretending to be "One People" that the majority just tries to ignore as they aren't ever really represented by any of their representatives in any of these places. The same problems seem to happen everywhere, everytime, and so Government is always less than ideal and really a horrible failure. Luckily, most people have never really had to deal with it all that much and have lived similarly to how they always have, wearing nothing but a shirt at best and hiding away as much as possible.