IndieAgora

Kevin Logan made a good point - hundreds die everyday in Iraq abd Syria due to terrorism, where was their candlelight vigil? This is what gives radical views credence as they know we don't value their struggle, the media excessively reports and covers the deaths of 4 in London, but not 100-400 per day in Syria.

To me, terrorist means any army that is not authorised by the state.

The best way to logically attack them is to use their own definitions of terrorism against them. But then you realize they have started to broaden definitions, and that there is in fact no agreed upon universal definition. Oh, no [emoji44].


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I would argue though that the most beneficial definition would have been: any attack against civilians motivated by any general ideological, political, or religious beliefs.

I can't accept this as a terrorist attack, the location is political, but he just looks like a lone looney.


That is something I can believe more that it is just a lone looney. Someone hoping for attention or misguided.

So, this stuff seems extra weird and fake, in the sense of being some government bullsh*t scam on the public, when right now there is every conceivable logical reason for mass t*rror, but everyone everywhere is dead silent and practically nothing is being reported of this nature? Lol, ridiculous. It is even weirder that the maniacs on the truest k*lling spree now are not staging more false flag attacks everywhere in the world to justify their actions and keep people from showing their support for the victims. It is like they don't want to spend another cent on convincing anyone who they've securely bought into letting them do whatever they please and that the ridiculous initial attack on their people was enough for apparently the world. I still think they have all this up their sleeve for later but have not felt the need to deploy these cards yet and are doing just fine without it, but things might go a whole lot smoother for them if they were to stage a few "Islamic T*rr*r" events worldwide, and it would even seem a lot less fake in these circumstances, just like this total silence for two years makes "Islamic T*rr*r" seem like it was never real at all (which of course many people didn't really believe anyway since even nine II, oh look, its the two.

No t*rr*r on Iz, in America, among the allies, everyone just so quiet and cuddled up during the most dramatic thing to ever happen to a Muslim population since maybe ever, but otherwise in recent history.

That shows just how totally impotent and powerless the Muslim population always has been, it has always been a fake threat and a made up thing entirely, the Muslims are sitting ducks and fish in a barrel, an easy target to massacre and enslave, and making them out to be really energetic monsters was always a wholly government funded ploy and deception to mobilize resources for war profiteering projects and money laundering on an unprecedented scale, its total theft from the public, taxes, and all the various nations' resources.

I would like, though not straightforwardly "like" as in being pleased by it, the maniac Western Powers led by the mad attack dog Iz, to go ahead now and start the mass slaughter of every Muslim population worldwide and every Muslim specifically, since they've shown how much impunity they have in killing Muslims at least, and to go ahead also and fully put to ruin and total destruction every single Muslim site, especially "The Two Holiest Sites" of Mecca and the Dome Of The Rock.

I want them to be so blatant, and then I'll watch how even then "Islamic T*rr*r" seems to suddenly not exist at all when it would make perfect sense to exist at that point, and how totally impotent and without help or hero the population are.

Any Muslim who would want some kind of cooperation and participation with these Governments and Institutions which have shown their true colors would be nothing in my view but Uncle Tom types and Collaborators. Uncle Tom actually might have had an opposite meaning, but at this point it means a House Slave slobbering up the crumbs, a pathetic sycophant and Stockholm Syndrome slave and Simp, "Oh yes please, beate some more, I deserve it, you are so wise and righteous and beautiful and just".

Suddenly, even "crazy people" seem to be very busy and occupied and aren't lashing out? It makes their stories also seem fake then too.

Nobody wants to die, and even the suicidal people can't seem to do anything dramatic to make change, somehow it seems like we're living in a pre-filmed TV show, everyone is already dead and gone, and the people feel like they can do nothing and are clinging for dear like to their miserable lives? They were suicidal earlier, why can't they do anything with that suddenly if they are going anyway? Nope, nothing, like it was all strictly under control this whole time and nothing was ever natural or true if it appeared promoted on the screens to any amount of people.



It would take one truly suicidal person to find an opportunity to get something done, but if the government hasn't been part of the show, apparently there is no such person in the whole world's population of supposedly billions. All we get are people who k*ll little children and torture tiny animals.

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@Grantofglyn
4 years ago
I hear this as a dark song too. And I kind of relate to what I interpret it as. I see it as asking why life isn't getting better and why happiness is still absent after waiting for so long. Asking why things keep going wrong and wanting to give up and call it a night but you can see a lot of beauty in life and life is weird and unpredictable so you just want to hold on.

@StevenFramed
3 years ago
Dude, honest mode: I feel what you're getting at. All around, I think what the notion is... whether you are prepared to hear it or not... He, they, anyone from that ivory tower is kind of saying... hey, I don't care, you are down there nobody cares... ooohh aaawaghohhh,,,,,.... you know the songs today. Anyway, it's as sad as it seems. You do something legitimately perfect, and somebody from the "wayup" says, NO. And now it is for you to go and dig and dirt and feel obsessed and do everything you can, when the few are "overlording" above, acting like they even have the right to do that. And even though you are above THAT, and above what I'm saying right now, and doing everything you motherloving can do to make the difference. It just... I don't know. Have faith, love each other, and let's get each other's backs

@DOmni-gb2lj
2 months ago
I agree with this perfect expression of song. Life is narcisistic.
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https://whiskeyclone.net/ghost/songinfo.php?songID=1508

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Written by: Beck Hansen, Greg Kurstin

Versions:
Dear Life
Available on Colors.
Credits

Lyrics:
Dear Life [Version (a)]:

You sang your swan song to the dogs
As they made mincemeat of the dreams you hung your hopes on
So if you counted out what your sins cost
While money talks to your conscience
Working like a fool for love

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone?

You drove your Rolls into the swamp
Stole away like a thief reeling from the sticker shock
Of the price they put upon your soul
You'd buy it back from the burning ashes
Of the devil you know

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone?

Dear Life, come and pick me up
Dear Life, I think the button is stuck
Dear Life, I think it's gone too far
Dear Life, please lower the bar lower than the stars

Dear Life, I'm holding on
Dear Life, I'm holding on
How long must I wait before the thrill is gone? The Song:

"Dear Life" was first mentioned in some press as a part of Beck's upcoming 2016 album. That album didn't come out then, but finally was released in October 2017 as Colors.

Beck gave a pretty detailed explanation of how they created "Dear Life" to NYMag in Sept. 2017, and it tracks with what he told some other interviews. (That's where much of this technical description has been derived from.)

Beck has explained that "Dear Life" was the first song he did with Greg Kurstin, way back in "January or February of 2013." They got together, talked about what music they both liked a bit, "got up and jammed," and "Dear Life" was the result. Beck called it like the "natural default setting as musicians and songwriters, like the equivalent of putting on your favorite shirt and just hanging around the house." The jam was a joy and they tried some things: "we were trading chords back and forth, and Kurstin hit on the chorus and the weird turnaround." Beck sang a melody, and that became the chorus.

After that, Kurstin was about to leave, and Beck said "wait, I've got the chords for the verse" so they recorded it real quick on a phone. The next morning, Beck woke up with the intro (he called it "that kind of Kinks-y, Beatles-y little dandy piano part"), which Greg played on an old piano. Next, Beck wrote the bridge, which he said he improvised while walking to the car. He also improvised the first verse as well, "just scribbled that down."

This initial work was exciting and they thought "We should do a whole album like this," but unfortunately it was immediately put on hold for eight months, because Kurstin was busy. Beck went and did Morning Phase. When they got back together, they took the album in a different direction. But also still wanted to finish "Dear Life." Beck realized, "oh shit, we don't have lyrics for the second verse yet." Beck claims he tried "a hundred different versions" and then it also took "days trying to get the vocal to match the first verse."

In the end, Greg played most of the instruments on the song, and Beck was excited most about the guitar sound from the 1954 LEs Paul Goldtop through a Vox AC30, calling it a very "White Album" tone.

Lyrically, Beck says "Dear Life" is a "little darker than any of the other songs" and they consciously stopped themselves from going any further. Beck says "Dear Life" is "about how you can go through really rough periods and there's a certain point where you say 'Life, just take me, show me what I'm supposed to do; I surrender.'" He has also said it is about "the turmoil of being alive. Like, can somebody throw me a lifeline here?"

And with those ideas, the song feels like a more mature version of something like "Loser." As Beck said, there's a point where you surrender to life, which lines up with the "why don't you kill me?" of "Loser." In the earlier song, Beck was looking at his rough life when compared to others. On "Dear Life", though, he recognizes that there are pendulum swings to life and that if he can just hold on, life will "come and pick me up." It's a much more mature version of surrender. Instead of giving up, it's waiting it out, knowing that thrills arise just by going with the flows, and experiencing the ups and downs.

In both "Loser" and "Dear Life," Beck is using other people's situations to reflect on his own reality. While "Loser" was written in first-person and "Dear Life" is pointed at an unknown "you," correlations arise. In "Dear Life," Beck writes of someone driving their Rolls into the swamp ("stock car flaming with a loser in the cruise control"), sinning without remorse ("the daytime crap of a folksinging slob"), working just for money not happiness or artistry ("the forces of evil on a bozo nightmare"). But in the end, "Dear Life" is a far less cynical look, where instead of saying 'stop this life!', the singer pleads for the ability to just hold on for, well, dear life.
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Hope you don't mind my effort in broadening the theme here. I hope that even the most specific and narrow threads could be brought back into circulation and made into interesting and powerful meditations.



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@HighSpeedNoDrag
3 years ago
Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake.
Pol Pot, circa 1975

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@michaellupton335
3 years ago
Why?
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@aFoxyFox.
0 seconds ago
People are going to have to come to terms with k*ll*ng Nasz people, even if they go by other names now. Yelling about them did nothing in the past, they had to be k*lled, they are like any other criminal running around crazily harming everyone and breaking everything, no amount of yelling will bring this to an end.

@aFoxyFox.
13 hours ago
If a serial criminal type says 2+2=4, some dumbos might start to think 2+2=4 must not be true, because their teammate didn't say it, the other team person said it. Anyone who thinks like that is a complete loser.
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@autumn7809
12 hours ago (edited)
I’m gonna be real, part of the reason I ride so hard for Palestine is because of my Christianity. My church body has close partners churches in the west bank and Jerusalem who are in turn closely connected with Gaza. My church body runs a hospital in Jerusalem where many staff and patients are from Gaza. White American Christians love to talk about how persecuted they are for their faith, but dog, Palestinian Christians are spit on and beat up just like going to Sunday mass. I have no option but to stand on behalf of my siblings in faith who are being destroyed by my tax dollars. That is absolutely an integral part of this for me.

I ALSO hate the framing that MGT is employing by implying that this + maybe the rights of children is the only reason we should care. Tf??? Half of the gospels are about inter religious dialogue and cooperation and shared dignity. My Christian faith says that NO ONE should ever be treated with this way, that oppressors need to be cast down from their seats of power, that love and justice for all people are the most important tools God has given us. Get it together !! If you’re going to be a Christian you have go to reckon with the fact that allllllll people, even the brown ones, the Muslims, the non-Christians, are made in the image of God and bare the image of the divine, COME ON

@LordWaterBottle
8 hours ago
Wow, a Christian who actually believes in what Jesus taught? Is it my lucky day?

Sorry if I come across a bit too cynical, evangelical churches in the south ruined my baseline impression of Christianity. They act new testament to the in-group and old testament to anyone whose parents weren't baptised in that specific church.
So, seeing honeat and truthful Christianity is a pleasant change of pace. Thank you for your humanity.

@aFoxyFox.
1 second ago
I hope that what they are doing over there to unarmed innocents and children would have led you to "ride hard" despite their religion, like if they were Atheists or even Idol Worshippers or Satanists or Demon Worshippers children being treated this way.

If you're honest with yourself, and you feel like you would not really care about a h*l*c**st in broad daylight about any people which you might not like or consider enemies, would you find yourself noble and worthy of religion, justice, and God?

Do you think you mind as much if the Church allies were not involved?

See, this "team playing" and "tribalism" everyone is up to these days, is deeply distressing.
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@andrewehyang
13 hours ago
I'm concerned. I really don't want to applaud people like MTG, Candace Owens and Jake Shields because their position comes from a place of antisemitism and we should not be elevating that.




@aFoxyFox.
0 seconds ago
Yeah, Islamophobia isn't as catchy a word, so its fine to elevate people coming from those positions or acting out on that, but right now the people m*ss m*rd*ring in broad daylight should be our top priority. Nice.
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@stevenbroady7321
7 hours ago
Mofo’s who haven’t read their Bible, knowing nothing about it please don’t talk about the Koran because if you did read it you would see were all connected.

@aFoxyFox.
0 seconds ago
The Qur'an is way, way, way nicer, better, and more palatable, naturally agreeable, and humanistic than the Bible and really any other religious scripture out there ever created, yet it is the most threatening to people in power, the most maligned, and the most totally and blatantly lied about text probably in all human history.

That book puts to shame all of these people, even by somehow magically bringing out of them their true evil which seems to be innate and nothing to do with a sensible reaction to anything in the Qur'an itself, and they can't even pretend to control what comes out of them irresistibly, that they completely lack any morality or restraint, and are vile to the core.

There are the most despicable things in the "most widely published and distributed" book in human history, the Bible, which some hold as the truly most influential book on them and their culture even if they don't believe in it anymore, but still hold it up as a superior ideal and representative of "Western Culture" and the dominance of the "West" and European supremacy. That is also a book that the majority of religious people in the world supposedly hold as their moral guide, when it is full of filth that the Qur'an lacks and has seemingly corrected, improved, or sterilized.

We live in an upside down world full of dishonest "influencers" simply propping up whatever they please, even if it is evilness like what is in the Bible against much calmer and more straightforward and acceptable seeming things as what appears to be in the Qur'an in comparison.

Conversations are impossible seeming with people who will make every excuse and apology for the Bible, even if they don't believe in it, but try to claim every single thing in the Qur'an is an egregious and unforgivable evil with a lot of crazed stretching. The double standards are similar to what we see in people fussing over Ukr or Izr, the two being Z and Nasz like allies that do a lot of business together, and the excuses made for a horrific non-stop onslaught on unarmed civilians in G, and it is done so shamelessly that it makes me want to puke and fills me with total hatred for all the lying, double standard holding, evil frauds who have become all the big speakers and manipulators, may the people rise up finally and bring them all low, nothing short of a very serious uprising by the general public can bring down Nasz scum in all the high places, and until these Feudal Lords are put to ruin, they will spend every moment of their lives working towards normalizing making your life and all our lives a living hell squeezed into the worst conditions of which the dehumanization being broadcast is just a showcase and marination process to ready us all to global sl*v*ry and expl**tation on a level and scale never before seen at any time so far. Yet the people will always be docile, and one of the few texts that says to "f*ght *ppression because oppression is worse than d**th" is obviously the most maligned by all the most *ppressive and plainly d*monic anti-human sc*m (sc*m rises to the top of the body of water) in existence.
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@Ahmed-j2n9s
13 hours ago
I honestly don’t understand your weird party system. In the end, you basically have two parties that differ by about 0.000001%. I mean, Germany is also a disaster when it comes to politics right now, but at least we’ve got a bit more choice and nuance with our Parties




@aFoxyFox.
1 second ago
Their system is wholly corrupt. They continue to justify it by beating to death anyone who questions it.
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@N.Oriiii
9 hours ago
wait... does hasan think ukraine doesnt push propaganda? like yes both russia and ukraine push propaganda.

is hasan really losing it?

@aFoxyFox.
0 seconds ago
Are you f*cking stupid or trying to confuse other people? He said Ukraine and Russia both do propaganda and Pal can't because it doesn't have a functional State the way they do. The benefit of the doubt here is that you're just st*pid, rather than a liar, though the latter would mean you're both, particularly since your lie is so st*pid. Are you a Z? Probably. Yet, there are surely better tactics you can use? For example, your method will cause some people to go through the video to see where he said that, finding that he didn't say that, and strengthening their impression that you're a m*r*n*c liar and that this is the new tactic that l*s*rs like you must be trying now, which ends up likely doing more damage to your sh*tty anti-h*m*n p*d* cause than benefit. There must be a better way for you than this, I am speaking to you in order to help you to refine your tactics and methods, not to discourage you from trying overall, otherwise I'd just suggest you sh*t *p, bit all I'm letting you know is that I don't think this tactic will be fruitful.
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@yasamn7599
15 hours ago
How are people this stupid?? How are they so deprived of humanity?

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@jacksxnn1404
14 hours ago
Trying to wrap your head around it will drive you crazy

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@captainautobots
14 hours ago
We live in hell.
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@Reject1977
9 years ago
rugrats haha
deedee : stu why are you making chocolate pudding at four in the morning.
stu : because i lost control of my life.

that episode got me so frustrated, f*ck angelica haha
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