IndieAgora

(kFoyauextlH thought you might appreciate this thread as well so i've copied and pasted it here)


I have created this thread as an exercise in exploring the deeper meanings behind concepts.

How would you go about selling your soul?

This thread is not about why you would or would not do such a thing (I know many of you would not do such a thing and think its stupid etc) that is entirely not the point.

For this exercise you will need to go into detail on 2 main parts.

1. The soul - what is it? each person here will have a differing idea of what the soul is, so go into as much detail as you can on your idea of what a soul is. 

(this thread is also not about arguing over whos version of the soul is right or wrong, that does not matter and is not the point. if you have questions for somebody else, when you reply to them follow the rules laid out in their description of what a soul is, you can ask them to clarify these rules etc but dont come at them from your soul-idea because you are asking them questions about their soul-idea)

2. The sell - after you have explained in detail your idea and concept behind what a soul is describe in as best detail you can how you would go about selling it/ transferring it to somebody else etc.

I want to stress this is not about selling a novelty item such as a peice of paper stating "you own my soul" but the actual act and method of transferring your idea of the whole "Soul" as you describe above.

Not transferring the concept of the soul.
Not transferring the idea of the soul.
But the actual soul-object itself as described above.

As a very simple example.

1. Soul - an apple, a tasty fruit to some varying from greens and reds comes from a tree, can fit in most hands.

2. The sell - a customer comes up to you asking to purchase a soul, you pick the soul up physically hand it to them and take some local currency in exchange, the soul is now theirs they are free to do with it what they wish. Throw it, eat it etc.

(The above is a very simple example, i will be slightly surprised if something similar comes up.)


I look forward to seeing what you can come up with.


The soul is the source or meaning of one's purpose in life. Everything in nature has a purpose and the soul is just another word created from the Brain. I mentioned the gut brain in another post and I believe this is where the soul is. This is why some people believe in "soul food" because it is hunger that you must feed in order to subside it. But how does one's soul "eat"? I can go about this a couple of ways but soul is closely related to the spiritual realm so I'll start there. I personally believe that religion is just a perspective of some very intelligence people who created a notion of control by providing stories to the masses. We seek power, and there are a few ways to get it, but the best way is through the soul. So the stories of religion base the stories on the soul, therefore everything that comes from religion has to do with someone's soul. This is actually correct as the soul is actually the source. But the name "source" is just my interpretation of the soul and just another perspective in the World. I believe my notions are absolute in their meanings but can't really be comprehended by another because the language to express what I truly feel is not created yet. So if the language isn't created to express myself, how can people take me serious when I talk about what my holograms are. But to get back on track....the soul is the source or the beginning of creation.

To sell my soul is to be completely honest in what it is. However, I wouldn't want my soul to be in anyone but me. However, he one really wanted it...I would sell it for nothing. because i believe if the person "wore" my soul, he/she would go mad. its my soul...its original and therefore wouldn't like it if I gave it away. So in a sense its alive, like another separate being inside me. Except its absolute and divine and selfish, everything that I am not but I accepted it so in return, it accepted me. And I became whole. Which is another way of saying that I actually found my source and would love for someone to "try it on" at least. In other words, tell me what you think?

I mentioned the gut brain in another post and I believe this is where the soul is.


Sounds a lot like Gilles Deleuze take on Spinoza and nutrition, which I mentioned in another thread: https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Beginners-Spinoza-Nourished-or-poisoned-essences
 

I personally believe that religion is just a perspective of some very intelligence people who created a notion of control by providing stories to the masses.


Marx said this.
 

I believe my notions are absolute in their meanings but can't really be comprehended by another because the language to express what I truly feel is not created yet.


I can understand this, you have a gut feeling about what's going on and then you try to express it, but language fails you. In all seriousness, why is that you have no problem with expressing your feelings, or having the pursuit of it and others don't? In other threads you always talk about 'logic before feelings' but this post here tells a totally different story.

If you can ever drop your notions of me as an SJW, we could do a lot of work here that would be of value to all of us.
 

So if the language isn't created to express myself, how can people take me serious when I talk about what my holograms are. But to get back on track....the soul is the source or the beginning of creation.


We all have to 'come to terms'.
 

To sell my soul is to be completely honest in what it is. However, I wouldn't want my soul to be in anyone but me. However, he one really wanted it...I would sell it for nothing. because i believe if the person "wore" my soul, he/she would go mad. its my soul...its original and therefore wouldn't like it if I gave it away. So in a sense its alive, like another separate being inside me.


Cartesian Dualism and Vitalism. Also, a sale without price is a gift.
 

Except its absolute and divine and selfish, everything that I am not but I accepted it so in return, it accepted me. And I became whole. Which is another way of saying that I actually found my source and would love for someone to "try it on" at least. In other words, tell me what you think?


I think you perceive your soul as an unobtainable ideal that you try to fulfill and always fail at.

I mentioned the gut brain in another post and I believe this is where the soul is.


Sounds a lot like Gilles Deleuze take on Spinoza and nutrition, which I mentioned in another thread: https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Beginners-Spinoza-Nourished-or-poisoned-essences
 

I personally believe that religion is just a perspective of some very intelligence people who created a notion of control by providing stories to the masses.


Marx said this.
 

I believe my notions are absolute in their meanings but can't really be comprehended by another because the language to express what I truly feel is not created yet.


I can understand this, you have a gut feeling about what's going on and then you try to express it, but language fails you. In all seriousness, why is that you have no problem with expressing your feelings, or having the pursuit of it and others don't? In other threads you always talk about 'logic before feelings' but this post here tells a totally different story.

If you can ever drop your notions of me as an SJW, we could do a lot of work here that would be of value to all of us.
 

So if the language isn't created to express myself, how can people take me serious when I talk about what my holograms are. But to get back on track....the soul is the source or the beginning of creation.


We all have to 'come to terms'.
 

To sell my soul is to be completely honest in what it is. However, I wouldn't want my soul to be in anyone but me. However, he one really wanted it...I would sell it for nothing. because i believe if the person "wore" my soul, he/she would go mad. its my soul...its original and therefore wouldn't like it if I gave it away. So in a sense its alive, like another separate being inside me.


Cartesian Dualism and Vitalism. Also, a sale without price is a gift.
 

Except its absolute and divine and selfish, everything that I am not but I accepted it so in return, it accepted me. And I became whole. Which is another way of saying that I actually found my source and would love for someone to "try it on" at least. In other words, tell me what you think?


I think you perceive your soul as an unobtainable ideal that you try to fulfill and always fail at.


I love your insights as it created more and more ideas that answered my own questions about life and my pursuit of finding "it". I have no problem saying what I feel as I speak from the "gut brain" and not my actual brain most of the time. Its like something is controlling my hands as I type but I dont really care what I put down...as I already have the answers I seek. I take everything that I have ever heard, saw, felt, tasted, smelled and put it under one big microscope where my "gut brain" is doing the research and my brain is just managing the speed at which I can go. Like the "gut brain" is the navigation, but the brain is driving. This is why I love to learn...I'm gaining more and more perspectives but can take my time because I am unknown. I am not known to anyone and I love the feeling when someone meets me because I am just a reflection of their inner most being. In other words, I act like a mirror, or atleast try to do as someone who is talking to themselves always agrees with them. Thats just me, Mr. understanding which is Intellectus in Latin. The more I reveal myself to this World, the more I feel alone. As I listen to the music that is created by others, I can't help but feel the emotions that they felt when they wrote it. It sometimes makes me cry, or get mad, or even just mellow. I constantly smoke the best THC, which is what happen to me to open my mind up to "it." 

My search for the "it" is never complete but it is complete when I say it is. This is why I can keep learning but don't really enjoy it at times. Being here has taught me many things as I write my story. But my story is just that. A way to express myself to show others "the way" which is my "it" but again. Unobtainable, but that will never stop me from failing. As failing is just learning from the mistakes to me and I love learning....and failing...and learning...and so on and so forth. Like the primordial spiral.

It turns me on to see how smart you all are, and how smart I am, lol.

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This is pretty ridiculous. So recently I mentioned the multitude of issues going on, well now a new one has been added to that list besides finding out one of the bus cards was missing, and the new problem is some crazy sick feeling that might be caused by acid inside or acid reflux even though the acid or vomit burn isn't happening, but something I've never experienced before, a cold feeling filling my stomach, like a cold burn, that goes up to my chest, and even close to my throat but there is no acid, just like menthol or something in how it feels. Prior to that my heart heats really fast, and after that I start to feel so sick, especially if I've eaten anything, and there is pain a bit at my one side of my stomach. I've never in my whole life had this many issues and problems in general or compounded like this in such a short amount of time, this has basically been the worst month ever, or whatever it has been since writhing in horrific pain from the kidney issue multiple times in a row, then this happening and feeling so sick, though it seems to be a separate issue, though it could be that drinking the citric acid drink to break down and make more passable any stones weakened some areas inside that when I had this potent balsamic glaze it adhered to the sensitive areas and really has been irritating them. I also have nowhere to sit or sit up, and lying down doesn't help, but sleeping seems to help with all these issues or to out them off or let them progress while I'm just unconscious mainly or dreaming lots.

I had so many dreams. One of the dreams I had included what may have been something a bit spiritual seeming to me, a very big dog in a green hooded cloak entered a room I was in and jumped up on a bed that my family was on and I was off the bed, and it came over the edge towards me and slipped off the bed next to me. This dream was unusual because of how much I could feel everything in detail and even remember the physical feelings. Then in the dream the dog looked like it wanted to chew on or suck on something so someone said that it is fine for them to chew on plastic lol, and cut a piece from a plastic bag like from K-Mart which was white and folded it and gave it to the dog. The dog dropped and then seemed to mistake my lower body for it or in trying to find it was trying to clamp on my bum and crotch area and I was holding its jaw opened and could feel the teeth in complete detail. I woke up and like in so many silly films, the parts where the teeth had been pushing were red and even indented looking. I took the dream itself to have something to do with all this evil going on with me and it coming along to help rather than harm, I didn't view the dream as negative, and even when it was gnawing on my hand it was doing it gently and not with any intention to hurt or any hostility. The feeling of the teeth was also not really a bad feeling, and in a way that pain may have distracted from the other pain going on since I couldn't do much like I had been during the kidney incidents since any attempt to reach anywhere to grab anything would out pressure on my stomach and make it worse, so I couldn't grab and squeeze anywhere to divert the pain or distract myself. Slightly before all this started I was even having tremendous pressure in my head or sinuses, also totally unusual, like I'm under full attack this period, and it has me in constant suspense, even as I see one if the most widely exposed atrocities in the history of the world is going on in full view, whereas past things like this have been much more hidden and only found out about more after the fact, but it is like I'm experiencing some small little touch of the tortures going on as they have reached such an insane height. Everyone else seems totally f*cking fine, even obese people seem to be running around with little apparent issues going on while I'm being bombarded with one thing after another and all on top of each other too.

I had other dreams which were all pretty interesting also, like including some kind of a cruise ship full of models paid to be courtesans or escorts, and various other dreams taking places in interesting settings. One if the dreams had a cat with markings somewhat resembling a gray raccoon, and it was large and in a mall, and then it approached me and was friendly, that one maybe has to do with things I've been buying, since it was in a mall. This weirdness and indigestion may have to do with low stomach acid rather than high stomach acid.

I also wonder if I'm taking in plastic more than usual by using these old disposable plastic cups where I've been putting in the drink which is supposed to break down stones, so might be breaking down the plastic too.

Also, that drink may have signalled to the body that enough acid is coming in artificially, so it stopped producing as much itself, and then I ran out of it so didn't have it suddenly for a very brief time ultimately, but then ate a bunch of stuff that required acid to break it doen and also had stuff that can irritate the lining and trigger acid too, like the balsamic glaze.

In any case, I out that all in this thread because of the dog, which was golden brown with long hair all across its body and a narrow head and mouth, but large, long, and tall.

The dog was offered plastic and it fell next to me and possibly a little under me and could not be seen anymore and so then it went to work trying to find the plastic, but it was going for my body, particularly my lower body, so that makes me wonder if there is plastic inside me somewhere that is trying to process out.

I think that people put under coercive conditions would give a lot that they think they "have" and "can give" to get themselves or their loved ones out of the conditions they were put into, so that none if these decisions are ever really made without some kind of manipulative measure involved if the person is even somewhat rational, because if a person was feeling totally well and without issues, happy and satisfied, why would they even think of asking for something else?

This thread, which is also one I'd like to somehow have control over since it is mine and the original post and writing in that post was mine but copy pasted by someone else, is about hunger or craving, the motivations behind "selling out", and the various ways in which it is done, as well as what is even being dealt with or transferred or "lost" at all, and how much of religions past and present are these kinds of "pacts", even if they are hallucinatory.

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This video above is also here for a reason.

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Wow, this is very on topic. If you understand how this video might relate to this topic, including even visual themes and things brought up in the lyrics as individual symbols, it can give a better understanding of some of the angles I'm trying to get at here with any of the ingredients I'm adding to the thread (this is even more what I'm talking about than some heavy handed and direct songs or commentaries about "soul selling"):

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I don\'t have time to think anymore, but enjoy my old thoughts.

Glad to see you back. If you have any issues with the site just let me know and I\'ll figure it out.

You can use the main site or the forum, they are synced together. I wanted both UIs for different users. Some like activity feeds, some like forums.

I don\'t know what the fuck I\'m doing bruh I\'m too old

What is going on? Ages like 30-40 were not considered very old in the past, but there seems to have been a movement towards focusing a lot on a lot of younger people and giving them more opportunities to communicate, where they've become really dominant through the internet and have certain advantages like a lot more free time and energy apparently. Yet there are a huge amount of people aged 28-55 who are not in the "youth" category but are just the same as they ever were, with the same needs too.

If there are things making one feel confused, they should be eschewed if possible, just to be able to navigate any scenario a little better potentially and to make the best of things however one can. Things like drugs and becoming really intoxicated can seem to temporarily get one's mind off of things or help with issues due to imbalances influencing the mood or taking away pain, but they can also cause damage which makes things worse, with a person ending up moving in the wrong direction, away from making the best of what is available and around, even stripping people of their health, memories, their appearance, everything that makes them good and what they may have known as their self in their innocence and purity at earlier stages. They lose their "soul", and also become tedious bores, sucking on the teat of the Drug Mammon, until their teeth fall out and they start reverting into babies. So it can be said to do with Mommy Issues potentially also, wanting certain feelings that came from a time when there may have been less worries and more warm feelings. Some people take in the heat through inhaling certain things, but maybe they are trying to recreate the feelings of being nuzzled in a lightly stifling embrace that grants a sense of security abd even physical warmth.

Whatever it may be, methods which don't scramble the brain and the mood chemicals are probably better to look for, since there has practically never been a success story with anything known to impact those parts of the body, even if they initially feel nice because of how they work and what they do.

To fill the void of what seems like a pointless and loveless life, when one is ready to give anything to get something, which for many people amounts to a pursuit of safety, security, peace, and a sense of love, there have to be solutions one can remain sensitive to, like hobbies, interests, art, an intellectual pursuit, even trying and failing repeatedly in finding good people, even just to see them, to watch people being good when so much serms bad.