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The themes of each of my active threads currently are being thought of by me throughout the day, pretty much non-stop, but I allow a lot to form before I end up writing something lengthier usually. Like one idea I had for this thread,among many other ideas for things I could write here, had to do with the things seemingly distorted in later times to vilify and demonize aspects of life and nature when certain cults had developed around symbols representing those themes and assigned a name. Another thing that I've been thinking about is how made up things can sometimes be more frank and honest than the convoluted symbols and traditions that may get lost in translation even by later generations of an ongoing culture making use of those symbols. Also hateful polemics and attacks can say a lot, even through specific errors and lies, both about those attacking and those attacked.

For example, there were some very specific cults and entities fixated upon by the people whose ideas would become more influential later, while others have gone largely unmentioned or were integrated in other ways without such hostility. Those things that were attacked seem to have survived in new versions inspired by such stories and demonization efforts, and what ended up being associated with them by their enemies or opposition and what gets linked to them today is also worthy of note and interesting to me, as it conversely makes the people opposing those things have to stand for the opposite in some ways.

https://www.occult.live/index.php/Michael_Servetus

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Michael Servetus (29 September 1509 or 1511 – 27 October 1553) was a Spanish theologian, physician, cartographer, and Renaissance humanist. He was the first European to correctly describe the function of pulmonary circulation, as discussed in Christianismi Restitutio (1553).


Engraving of Michael Servetus
He was a polymath versed in many sciences: mathematics, astronomy and meteorology, geography, human anatomy, medicine and pharmacology, as well as jurisprudence, translation, poetry, and the scholarly study of the Bible in its original languages. Servetus is renowned in the history of several of these fields, particularly medicine. He participated in the Protestant Reformation, and later rejected the Trinity doctrine and mainstream Catholic Christology. After being condemned by Catholic authorities in France, he fled to Calvinist Geneva where he was denounced by Calvin and burned at the stake for heresy by order of the city's governing council.

Early life
Michael Servetus was born in Tudela, Kingdom of Navarre. He attended the University of Toulouse in 1527, where he studied law. After an interval, Servetus returned to Paris to study medicine in 1536. After his studies in medicine, Servetus started a medical practice.

Dispute with John Calvin
In 1553 Michael Servetus published another religious work with further anti-trinitarian views entitled Christianismi Restitutio (The Restoration of Christianity), a work that sharply rejected the idea of predestination as the idea that God condemned souls to Hell regardless of worth or merit. God, insisted Servetus, condemns no one who does not condemn himself through thought, word, or deed. This work also includes the first published description of the pulmonary circulation in Europe.

To John Calvin, who had written his summary of Institutes of the Christian Religion, Servetus' latest book was an attack on historical Nicene Christian doctrine and a misinterpretation of the biblical canon. Calvin sent a copy of his own book as his reply. Servetus promptly returned it, thoroughly annotated with critical observations. Calvin wrote to Servetus, "I neither hate you nor despise you; nor do I wish to persecute you; but I would be as hard as iron when I behold you insulting sound doctrine with so great audacity."

In time, their correspondence grew more heated until Calvin ended it. Servetus sent Calvin several more letters, to which Calvin took offense.

Imprisonment
On 16 February 1553, Michael Servetus while in Vienne, France, was denounced as a heretic by Guillaume de Trie (a rich merchant who had taken refuge in Geneva and who was a good friend of Calvin) in a letter sent to a cousin, Antoine Arneys, who was living in Lyon.

On behalf of the French inquisitor Matthieu Ory, Michael Servetus and Balthasard Arnollet, the printer of Christianismi Restitutio, were questioned, but they denied all charges and were released for lack of evidence. On 26 March 1553, the letters sent by Michael to Calvin and some manuscript pages of Christianismi Restitutio were forwarded to Lyon by De Trie. On 4 April 1553, Servetus was arrested by Roman Catholic authorities and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On 17 June, he was convicted of heresy, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by John Calvin, preacher in Geneva" and sentenced to be burned with his books.

In his absence, he and his books were burned in effigy (blank paper for the books).

Servetus inexplicably stopped in Geneva enroute to Italy, where Calvin had him imprisoned, and all his property was confiscated. French Inquisitors asked that Servetus be extradited to them for execution. Calvin wanted to show he was as firm in defense of Christian orthodoxy as his usual opponents. "He was forced to push the condemnation of Servetus with all the means at his command." At his trial, Servetus was condemned on two counts for spreading and preaching Nontrinitarianism, specifically, Modalistic Monarchianism (or Sabellianism) and anti-paedobaptism (anti-infant baptism).

Death
Calvin believed Servetus deserved death because of what Calvin termed, "execrable blasphemies."

On 27 October, Servetus was burnt alive atop a pyre of his own books at the Plateau of Champel at the edge of Geneva. Historians record his last words as: "Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have mercy on me."
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Iehahel

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Lelahel helps acquire knowledge and cures illness. Astrologically, this spirit signifies the light of understanding. The person born under this angel's influence will love to converse, and will acquire fame through their talents and actions.

Iehahel rules over the Goetic demon Valefor.

Guardian angel
Iehahel functions as a guardian angel for people born during the following days and times:

Soul Guardian for those born: 1.40 a.m. to 2 a.m.
Moral Guardian for those born: March 25, June 5, August 16, October 27 and January 7.
Physical Guardian for those born: April 14 - 18.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Valefor

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Valefor (Hebrew: ואלפר) is a Goetic demon. It is the sixth spirit of the 72 demons summoned by King Solomon according to the Lesser Key of Solomon. In the hierarchy of Hell, Valefor is a mighty Duke.


The demon Valefor as pictured in the Occult Tarot.
He is ruled over by the Kabbalistic angel Iehahel.

General description
Valefor appears in the shape of a lion with an ass's head, bellowing. In The Grand Grimoire, Valefor is commanded by Brigadier General Sargatanas.

Abilities
He is a good familiar, but will tempt those who he serves to steal. His seal is to be worn, whether you will have him as a familiar, or not. Astrologically, this spirit signifies ambition.

Valefor governs 10 Legions of Spirits.

He is a servant demon of those born April 14 - 18.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Sargatanas

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Sargatanas is a brigadier general in the Hierarchy of Hell mentioned in The Grand Grimoire. He is under the command of Astaroth. The demon's character resembles a flying moth or similar insect. A.E. Waite compared the character of Sargatanas with Ophiel, the Olympic spirit of Wednesday and the planet Mercury.

Sargatanas has the power to render one invisible and to transport someone anywhere. He can also open any keyhole or let you see what is going on in other houses. This demon is skilled at teaching necromancy.

Although Sargatanas does not command any legions of demons, he does have command over the demons Foray (Farai), Loray, and Valefor.

Sargatanas appears as the main protagonist of Wayne Barlowe's fantasy novel God's Demon.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Ophiel

https://www.occult.live/images/a/a6/Ophiel_Seal.jpg

It looks like the spelling of my name hidden in there.

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Ophiel is described as an Olympian spirit in several grimoires collectively called the Grimoire of Armadel.

The 1750 manuscript Regis Salomonis calls this spirit by the name "NOMIFAREMTROS" and provides an alternate seal for it and the other olympic spirits.

Primary texts which describe Ophiel and the spirit's attributes include:

Arbatel of Magick (1575)
Regis Salomonis Septem Sigilla Planetarum (1750)
Magia Naturalis et Innaturalis (1849)
Abilities
In addition to ruling over the planet Mercury, Ophiel gives familiars and teaches all arts. He is also able to convert the metal mercury into the Philosopher's stone.

He controls 100,000 legions of spirits and is described as a spirit of piety, answering questions about God

The seal of Ophiel should be drawn in red ink.

His sigil contains "Mysteries of the Regeneration of Adam and his Children in Time." The three characters of this spirit are drawn in red, yellow, and green colors and include the forms of those in torment.

A.E. Waite believed there was a connection between the demon Sargatanas and Ophiel based on the characters of their seals.

In popular culture
"Ophiel" was the pseudonym of author Edward Peach (1904-1988), who wrote more than a dozen books about occult topics.

"Megalith Ophiel" is the name of a super rare card in the Yu-Gi-Oh! trading card game. It depicts a flying stone-like angel.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Ophie ... al_Alt.jpg

https://www.occult.live/index.php/Mercury

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Mercury is the ruling planet of Gemini and Virgo and is exalted in Virgo. In classical Roman mythology, Mercury is the messenger of the gods, noted for his speed and swiftness. Echoing this, the scorching, airless world Mercury circles the Sun on the fastest orbit of any planet. Mercury takes only 88 days to orbit the Sun, spending about 7.33 days in each sign of the zodiac. Mercury is so close to the Sun that only a brief period exists after the Sun has set where it can be seen with the naked eye, before following the Sun beyond the horizon.

Astrologically, Mercury represents the principles of communication, mentality, thinking patterns, rationality/reasoning, adaptability and variability. Mercury governs schooling and education, the immediate environment of neighbors, siblings and cousins, transport over short distances, messages and forms of communication such as post, email and telephone, newspapers, journalism and writing, information gathering skills and physical dexterity.

In modern astrology, Mercury is regarded as the ruler of the third house; traditionally, it had the joy in the first house. Mercury is the messenger of the gods in mythology. It is the planet of day-to-day expression and relationships. Mercury's action is to take things apart and put them back together again. It is an opportunistic planet, decidedly unemotional and curious.
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Mercury's surface is similar in appearance to that of the Moon, showing extensive mare-like plains and heavy cratering, indicating that it has been geologically inactive for billions of years.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Ose

https://www.occult.live/index.php/Ieialel

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One born under Ieialel will be distinguished by bravery and boldness, and they will be passionate for Venus. Ieialel protects against sorrow and heals the sick, especially afflictions of the eyes. Influences iron and those in commerce. Astrologically, this spirit signifies mental force.

Ieialel rules over the Goetic demon Amy.

Guardian angel
Ieialel functions as a guardian angel for people born during the following days and times:

Soul Guardian for those born: 7 p.m. to 7.20 p.m.
Moral Guardian for those born: May 16, July 27, October 7, December 18 and February 28.
Physical Guardian for those born: December 30 - January 3.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Venus

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The Olympic spirit Hagith rules over Venus, but numerous spirits are also linked to the energy of Venus, including:

Lucifer - alternate name for Phosporos, the Greek god of Venus.
Ieialel - Kabbalistic angel who makes people passionate.
Beelzebub - Leader of Phosporos.
Akhuy - One of the Egyptian decans that rises beside Venus.
Abaddon - Demon ruler of Venus in the Hierarchy of Hell.
Archangel Haniel - Archangel ruling over Venus.
Ishtar - Goddess of love associated with Venus.
Kedemel - Venusian planetary spirit.
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https://www.occult.live/index.php/Zazel

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One encyclopedia of demons describes him as "the eternal rebel."
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Zazel has power to cause or alleviate several physical ailments, including:

Problems in the right ear
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Zazel: The Scent of Love was the title of an American p*rn film released in 1997. The movie includes numerous sequences which reference religious themes, culminating in the final scene titled "Diablo d'Inferno" during which actress Anna Romero appears dressed as a "She-Devil" in a fetishistic red latex devil's costume. The film is notable for utilizing visually elaborate set pieces, extravagant costuming, and expensive filming techniques not normally seen in such er*tic films. Zazel: The Scent of Love won seven awards at the 1998 AVN Awards.

Zazel was the stage name of English aerialist and actress Rossa Matilda Richter (7 April 1860 – 8 December 1937) who became known as the first human cannonball at the age of 17.

Zazel is the name of a character in the Yo-kai series of video games and anime cartoons.
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Gods as words, and collections of themes (referred to or pointed through by the use of words) that are considered by anyone or a cultural group as ontologically connected, a cloud or a swarm of different concepts, images, events, and whatever other sorts of somewhat abstract references may be part of each of these "God,(s)", which are like boxes holding meanings that together can also give more ideas or similar seeming or related things to try to give one an idea if what it may all be about, what that theme box is the "God Of" or their domain of activity and what they are "brought up" or "brought in" or "brought to mind" or "expressed, brought out" for.

In later "antique paganism", but possibly frequently for some and maybe always, possibly even for most, especially those who may have thought more or have had other reasons to make them think this way, including convenience, the many boxes could be said to be under one box, and each of the boxes can have more specific little boxes or manifestations in them that are even more particular and narrow in their scope, even though such still seemed broad in what they dealt with sometimes but reduced the amount of references that may have been included or thought of.
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So there is a phrase that goes around with people who are crazy but also want to try to control each other, so in order to have both, one of the hobbling Bedlamite creatures came up with the ingenious term:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unverif ... nal_gnosis

Though I may believe people sometimes have experienced what they claim, I also believe in a lot of liars popping up, and I don't necessarily believe what people have experienced is what they claim or theorize that their experience "is" or "means", besides also not necessarily thinking it is worth much or necessarily beneficial to them, especially in how they may be interpreting such or acting on it. To top all that off, the things people end up believing in, pursuing, and fixating on a lot of the time seem like nothing true or significant to me.

There are some highly popular things even which are much more non-existent and unreal to me than others. I pretty much don't care or believe in people's bullsh*t.

Out of all the junk floating around though, some things are far more significant to me at least, while other things strike me as being extra artificial. For example, there is a design in a game series called Megami Tensei which seems to me to he largely symbolically impotent for some name that was popularized by the film the Exorcist, Pazuzu, and on so many levels and layer upon layer does Pazuzu, particularly the way people have interpreted it in modern times, brought it up, and used it, and depicted it, seem extra worthless to me. If someone said they had some spiritual seeming experience, and brought up that name, and then said things about it, there is a chance that I'll either be impressed by certain things they say which somehow strike me as significant or ring true to my "intuition" or however I am subconsciously judging these things and coming up with the feelings about some things claimed seeming better and more worthwhile or true seeming than others or not at all.

This was just to explain my completely anecdotal judgment on various deities and terms that are still around these days, even from fiction, as "myth" has largely been deemed totally fictional by modern people anyway while somehow religion is still not.

So I might also use this thread to list things and mention if and how they seem more worthwhile to me and what doesn't seem to strike me as anything but garbage, and even possibly symbols which people may align to which might appear to put them into different camps, just by the things they may tend to prefer to associate themselves with, even without any seriousness, as it appears that most people are not serious about such things anymore, particularly when they may have been especially impacted by "Westernity", a portmanteau of Western and Modernity that someone else probably came up with before me just now, but I still cane up with it myself lol.

The joke is that this all would qualify as my Unverifiable Personal Gnosis about all these things, but I can probably explain it a little better or add more to it than some others, even though it may just amount to tastes and distaste about things I only have access to after it has been filtered by modernity and Western academia and the English language and probably a lot of people I think that spirituality is not even really compatible with in the first place, even if they are totally dedicated seeming to something.

Certain things just, probably initially inexplicably, read to me as bad, untrue, stupid, sacreligious, blasphemous, disrespectful, and insulting from the things that people translate from the past to what they end up saying themselves about various things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/heathenry/comm ... nverified/

Look at this ridiculousness for example:

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Otherwise we could have people going around spouting their own interpretation of things as the truth.
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See? Do you see what I see? The weirdness of that ordinary seeming sentence that might just totally get accepted by a reader?

Religion, even forgetting religion, believing anything, believing so-called "facts" and accepting "clear evidence" all has to do with respect, respecting something over something else which one then is automatically disrespecting by not considering it as having the same value as something else.

"Their own interpretations of things as the truth", lol, that is what everyone is always doing every moment with everything they think is real and true, but we're supposed to suddenly stop in this particular case because it might be noticed that we think other people are crazy idiots and that we think we know better than them? The request is totally ridiculous, but it exists because people want to huddle closely together while keeping the inconsistencies on the down low. Who has ever been the rightful authority on any matter that is universally accepted? These are totalitarians and dogmatists at heart, as is perhaps everyone really, who have accepted so many "truths" that they know how "violent" and "rude" the claim of any "truth" is! Even their omission of this from their dialogue is dishonest really, while implying how much they really look down on "opinions" from so many and are the judge of what they consider valid or not, worthwhile or not, true or not.

Truth can't be a frivolous game, it is something that makes everyone a fanatic, so that fanaticism is an innate part of the human experience, to believe something so undeniably, like we all accept in truth any clear fact of life or physical reality in the slow dream of being awake, that we would become enraged if someone denied something we strictly thought was true, calling whoever denies it a mad person, and especially despising and working every ill towards those who threaten us with oppression and try to coerce us into lip service towards whatever things we don't at all accept or believe in, that we should utter what we think is a damnable lie!

I like how you’re framing the gods less as immutable beings and more as accumulations of human needs, associations, and longings — recurring archetypes shaped by time and culture. It makes sense that figures like Jesus or Mary can shift so radically depending on the lens: in one tradition a savior, in another stripped of that role, in yet another transformed into a maternal archetype of comfort and immediacy.

What’s interesting is how these archetypes don’t disappear, even when stripped of their original theological grounding — they resurface in new forms, in literature, politics, and even in secular mythologies. It seems less about “believing” in gods and more about recognizing how they embody desires we keep returning to: salvation, nurture, order, rebellion, transcendence.

I’d be curious to see how you’ll expand this — especially if you extend the same approach to other figures, like the trickster, the warrior, or even more abstract ones like death or chaos. Each one might show how human imagination continually remakes its gods to mirror the needs of the age.

People keep talking about an event where they believe that 4 birds are the reincarnation of kids lol. No one was giving the time stamp annoyingly, as far as I could find, probably due to being older, but birds typically don't seem to live great lives.

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List of all "Gods" in the TES Universe
Hey again

Sooo, originally this post should have been an answer to the question of u/EggzBenedict04. He wanted to know how many named gods exist inside of the TES universe. I saw this question coming up multiple times in the last weeks and now i created a list! And the answer is approximately 167 (Edit: 229) (Edit 2: 238) named Deitys (of course more than debateable) that could be seen as "Gods". Just some infos before it starts:

The list is alphabetical and gives a bit information about every deity. It contains different variations of the same gods, as well as Gods that aren't worshipped anymore. There are Deitys from every TES main Game in this list. It's most likely that i forgot some deity and that some deitys in this list are going to ignite some debates. If you think that there are deitys that shouldnt be listed here or you think that i forgot one, please tell me! Criticism is highly appreciated. Hope you like it

-1. (The) Adversary. A Scaalic Deity and opposite force of the All-Maker. The "Devil" in Scaalic beliefs.

-2 Agamamnus. Khajiiti Sphinx god in TES I.

-3. Ahnurr. Variation of Anu in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-4. Akatosh. God-Father of the imperial pantheon/the 9 Divines. God of time.

-5. Akel. Variation of Sithis in the Redguard Pantheon.

-6. Akha. Variation of Anu-iel in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-7. Akhad. Variation of Akatosh in dunmeri Pantheon.

-8. Akulakhan. The second Numidium. Reconstruction of the Numidium by Tiber Septim. Was used to conquer Summerset.

-9. Alandro Sul. Immortal son and Demiprince of Azura.

-10. Alduin. The World-Eater in the nordic Pantheon. A dragon, said to be the first born of Akatosh.

-11. Alessia. A Saint, the slave queen, first Empress of Cyrodiil and Creator of the imperial Pantheon. Cults in the imperial pantheon did worshipp her.

-12. Alkhan. Variation of Alduin in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-13. Alkosh. Variation of Akatosh in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-14. All-Maker. God-Father in Scaalic belief. Creator of every living being in scaalic pantheon.

-15. Almalexia. Part of the Tribunal. Killed by the Nerevarine during TES III.

-16 Alrabeg. Patron of Hunters. An Aspect of Hircine.

-17. Amaro. A wind Deity connected to Kynareth. One of her fingers.

-18. Anu. The everything. Represents one of the two primal forces, stasis and is the counterpart to Padomay. Is part of every pantheon in some form. Said to be one of the two "creators" of the Aurbis. The et'Ada arose from Anu and Padomay

-19. Anu-iel. The soul of Anu in the Altmer Pantheon. Represents order and is the counterpart of Sithis. Said to be the creator of Akatosh and the other et'Ada.

-20. (The) Apprentice. One of the celestials under the protection of the Mage.

-21. Arius. "God of fire" worshipped by primitive tribesman on some uknown volcanic island in TES I.

-22. Arkay. One of the 9 divines. God of life and Death.

-23. Ark'ay. Variation of Arkay mentioned in TES II.

-24. Atak. The first being in existence in the Adzi-Kostleel tribe pantheon in Black Marsh. It became everything (maybe variation of anu?) Until it fought with Kota and merged with him.

-25. Atakota. A God of the Adzi-Kostleel tribe in black marsh. Atakota is the result of the endless long battle between Atak and Kota. They became Atakota and began to sleep, allowing time and the et'Ada to be created (variation of Akatosh or Anu-iel?).

-26. (prince) A'tor. Aspect of Hoonding during tiber Septims conquests. If he wasn't an aspect of Hoonding, then Cyrus the restless was.

-27. (The) Atronach. One of the celestials under the protection of the Mage.

-28. Auri-El. Aldmer variation of Akatosh and God-Father of the altmer, Falmer, bosmer and Aldmer pantheons. Said to be the Ancestor of the Aldmer and King of the other Gods.

-29. Azura. Daedric prince of Dusk and Dawn. Ruler over Moonshadow, a plane in Oblivion. One of the good daedra in dunmer worshipp.

-30. Azurah. Variation of Azura in the khajiiti Pantheon. Said to be the creator of the Khajiits and their boundary to the lunar lattice.

-31. Baal. Worshipped by a cult in TES I in Black Marsh. Probably a variation of Molag Bal.

-32. Baan Dar. The bandit and trickster God in the Khajiit Pantheon.

-33. Barbas. Part of the daedric prince Clavicus Vile. Has an own consciousness and sometimes works against Vile.

-34. (The) Bear. One of the animal gods in the old northern pantheon. One of the two dead gods, representation of Tsun. Shield-thane to Shor, god of trials against adversity. Died while defending shor from foreign gods during the wars with the Ehlnofey.

-35. Blue God. Variation of Malacath in the Goblin Pantheon.

-36. Boethiah. Daedric prince of deceit, conspiracy, treachery and sedition. Ruler over Attribution's Share, a plane in Oblivion. One of the good daedra in dunmer worship.

-37. Boethra. Variation of Boethiah in the Khajiiti pantheon.

-38. Bormahu. Variation of Akatosh in the Dragon Pantheon. "Our Father" in dovahzuul.

-39. Clavicus Vile. The daedric prince of Trickery and Bargains. Ruler over the Fields of regret, a plane in Oblivion. Stores a huge part of his power in Barbas and accidently created Umbra. Collaborated with Nocturnal and Mephala to rule over Aurbis, but got tricked by Nocturnal.

-40. Cyrus the restless. Adpect of Hoonding during Tiber Septims Conquests. If he wasn't an Aspect of Hoonding, then A'tor was.

-41. Dagoth Ur. The immortal Lord High councilor of house Dagoth. Killed by the Nerevarine in TES III.

-42. Darien Gautier. Last light of Meridia (Demiprince?). Helped the vestige in stopping the plane meld and the attempt of Nocturnal to become omniscient. Performed countless heroic deeds.

-43. (The) Deep ones. Uknown gods worshipped in hackdirt in TES IV.

-44. Diagna. The Orichalc God of the sideways blade in the yokudan/redguard Pantheon. Was an Avatar of Hoonding and was essential to the defeat of the left-handed Elves.

-45. Dibella. One of the 9 Divines. Goddess of Beauty, Love and Affection.

-46. Divad Hunding. Son of Frandar Hunding and Hero-god in the Redguard Pantheon.

-47. Djen. Probably a god worshipped in the Iliac Bay region in TES II.

-48. (The) Dragon. One of the animal gods of the old Nordic Pantheon. The twilight God and representation of Alduin.

-49. (The) Dragonborn. Mythical figure of the dragon Cult and nordic hero. Worshipped by the former dragon cult.

-50. Druagaa. The old Goddess of Flowers, formerly worshipped in a coastal region of Menevia in central High Rock.

-51. Dugrod. Uknown god worshipped in the Illiac bay region in TES II.

-52. Earth Bones. The faded descendants of the aedra that walked on Tamriel and created live.

-53. (Reymon) Ebonarm. The god of war and protector of warriors during TES II. Enemy of all Daedric princes except Sheogorath and Jyggalag.

-54. Ehlnofey. The aedra that created live on Nirn. Sometimes synonymous with the Earth bones.

-55. Emmeg gro-kayra. Son of Malacath. Killed, tortured and taken to the Shivering Isles by Sheogorath.

-56. Emperor Zero. Cuhlecain, technical establisher of the third Empire and king of Falkreath. The cult that worshipped him was created by Tiber Septim.

-57. Ephen. A Dunmer noble that got worshipped by an obscurr temple-cult, created by his half-brother Moraelyn, the witch-King of Ebonheart.

-58. (The) Exalted Viper. A celestial who usurped the place of the Serpent as celestial. She is defeated by the vestige.

-59. Fadomai. Variation of Padomay in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-60. Fa-Nuit-Hen. The Demi-prince. He haunts the warriors that fell and still wonder why. A scion of Boethiah and ruler of Maelstrom, a plane in Oblivion.

-61. (The) Fox. One of the Animal gods in the old nordic Pantheons. One of the dead gods, the representation of Shor. Creator of Mundus. Variation of Lorkhan.

-62. Frandar Hunding. Aspect of Hoonding. Lead the Yokudans against Malooc and his goblin armys in Hammerfell.

-63. (The) Ghost Snake. The spirit of a giant snake that protects the Vale of the Ghost Snake and is worshipped by the Mabrigash tribe of Ashlanders.

-64. (The) greedy man. Adpect of the Adversary in the Scaalic pantheon Nd the antithesis of the All-Maker.

-65. Grellan. The Dog of the god of Luck, Sai.

-66. (The) Green Lady. Demi-god in bosmeri Culture. Is connected to the Silvenar and represents the force of Valenwood.

-67. Gulibeg. Patron of Cleverness. An Aspect of Hircine.

-68. (The) Hawk. One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. One of the Hearth Gods and representation of Kyne.

-69. Herd Mother. Divine animist spirit worshipped by yokudan herding clans in Akos Kasaz.

-70. Herma-Mora. Scaalic, atmoran and bosmer variation of Hermaeus Mora.

-71. Hermaeus Mora. The daedric prince of forbidden knowledge. Ruler over Apocrypha, a plane in Oblivion.

-72. Hermorah. Variation of Hermaeus Mora in the Khajiiti pantheon.

-73. Hircine. Daedric Prince of hunting. Ruler over the hunting grounds, a plane in Oblivion. Creator of all lycanthropes.

-74. Hist. Supernatural trees that are worshipped by the argonians and are essential for the argonian race. They are as old as the Ehlnofey.

-75. Hoar Father. Philosophical Nord that is mentioned on multiple word walls in Skyrim.

-76. Hollowjack. Daedra Lord of Fear. Ruler over Detritus, a plane of Oblivion. A unique greater daedra.

-77. Hoonding. A Redguard god that materializes everytime whenever the Redguards are in huge danger.

-78. Hrokkibeg. Patron of Flight-and-Fight. An Aspect of Hircine.

-79. Hyrma Mora. Variation of Hermaeus Mora in the Pantheon of the Ayleïds.

-80. (The) Ideal Masters. Mysterious rulers of the Soul Cairn. (Et'Ada?)

-81. Igon. Khajiiti Sphinx god in TES I.

-82. Ilni. Symbolization of the Air in Tsaesci culture.

-83. (Lord) Irarak. Self-proclaimed vampiric dunmer god in Vvardenfell. Was worshipped by a small delusional cult. Killed by the Quarra Clan.

-84. Ius. The god of Animals. Fragmental worshipp in Valenwood, Hammerfell and Elsweyr. Statues depict him as misshapen humanoid with a rod.

-85. Jeh Free. Variation of Y'ffre in the Breton pantheon.

-86. Jephre. Variation of Y'ffre in the Aldmeri pantheon.

-87. Jhim Sei. Uknown Deity worshipped on the Illiac coast of High Rock during TES II. Considered similiar to jephre.

-88. Jhunal. God of hermetic orders and knowledge in the nordic Pantheon. Considered to be the same deity as Julianos.

-89. Jode. Variation of Masser, the big moon god in the Aldmeri pantheon. One of the two aspects of the lunar lattice in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-90. Jone. Variation of Secunda, the little moon god in the Aldmeri pantheon. One of the two aspects of the lunar lattice in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-91. Julianos. One of the 9 Divines. God of Wisdom and logic.

-92. Jyggalag. Daedric Prince of Order. Once the ruler over the shivering isles, a plane in Oblivion. Was cursed to be Sheogorath by the other daedric princes, until the hero of Kvatch freed him in TES IV.

-93. Kaan. Variation of Kynareth in the Dragon Pantheon.

-94. Kel. A breton god worshipped in the Illiac bay region in TES II.

-95. Khenarthi. Variation of Kynareth in the Khajiiti Pantheon. Said to deliver the Khajiiti souls to Azurah for Judgement. She will summon the "eternal united spirit of all Khajiit to defent Creation in thr end of time.

-96. Khunzar-ri. Khajiiti Hero of the nerethic Era. Famous for capturing the demons that roamed Elsweyr by imprisoning them in the Hall of Colossus.

-97. Kota. The counterpart of Atak in the pantheon of the Adzi-Kostleel tribe in black marsh. Said to be a being made out of Nothingness (variation of Sithis or Padomay?) Merged with Atak to Atakota.

-98. Kynareth. One of the 9 Divines. Goddess of Heavens, winds and Elements. Said to be the first that agreed to Lorkhans plan.

-99. Kyne. Variation of Kynareth in the Nordic Pantheon. Godess of Storms and widow to Shor. Gave Mankind the voice to defend themselves from the dragons. She is the chief Deity of the Nordic Pantheon and leads dead Nords to Sovngarde.

-100. Kynrt. Variation of Kynareth in dunmeri Pantheon.

-101. (The) Lady. One of the Celestials under the protection of the Warrior.

-102. Lamae Bal. The First daughter of Colossus. First recorded vampire.

-103. (The) Last Dragonborn. Chosen person in the Akavir Prophecy of Alduins Wall. Destined to fight Alduin, the World-Eater.

-104. Leki. Saint of the spirit sword. A god in the yokudan/redguard pantheon that introduced the ephermal feint, which helped in deciding who should lead the Yokudans against the left-handed Elves. Daughter of Tall Papa.

-105. LKHAN. Variation of Lorkhan in the Dunmer pantheon.

-106. Lorkhaj. Variation of Lorkhan in the Khajiiti Pantheon. He created Nirni and became the first Dro-m'Athra after Namiira corrupted him.

-107. Lorkhan. The missing God. Said to be created out of Padomay. He tricked the Et'Ada to create Mundus. He was killed in some way or another in every pantheon. His Heart fell on Nirn and created Red Mountain, while the rest of his body roams the Void in some way. Mankind thanks him for granting them life, while the Mer hate him for taking away their divinity as part of Aetherius.

-108. (The) Lover. One of the Celestials under the protection of the Thief.

-109. Mafala. Variation of Mephala in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-110. (The) Mage. One of the Celestials and one of the three guardians. Guardian of the Mage constellation.

-111. Magnus. The Architect of Mundus. He is an Et'Ada, that constructed the plan of creating Lorkhans vision, mundus. When he found out that he would lose his power when Mundus is created, he fled back to Aetherius and became the first of the Magna Ge. The Sun is the hole he tore open while he fled, which is where all of Nirns Magicka comes from. He is seen as the god of Magic in some elven Pantheons

-112. Magrus. Variation of Magnus in the Khajiiti Pantheon. God of Sun and magic and child of Ahnurr and Fadomai.

-113. Magus. Variation of Magnus in the imperial pantheon.

-114. Malacath (Malauch and also Mauloch). Daedric prince of curses, oaths, broken promises and anguish. Ruler over Ashpit, a plane in Oblivion. Patron of the spurned and ostracized. He is the God-Father of the Orsimer Pantheon. It is said that he was created when boethiah "ate" Trinimac and transformed him to Malacath.

-115. Malak. Variation of Malacath in the Dunmer pantheon.

-116. Malooc. Variation of Malacath in the Redguard Pantheon.

-117. Mannimarco. King of Worms. Most powerful Altmer Lich in history. Caused the Plane meld in ESO and tried to mantle Molag Bal. In one reality, created by the Dragonbreak in the warp of the west in TES II, he became the necromancer's Moon and ascended.

-118. Mara. One of the 9 Divines. Goddess of Love, fertility and agriculture. Almost present in every Pantheon.

-119. Masser. The imperial version of the bigger moon.

-120. Mehrunes Dagon. Daedric prince of Revolution, Destruction Change and Ambition. Ruler over the Deadlands, a plane in Oblivion. Leader of the Oblivion crisis in TES IV. Claims Mundus for himself. Worshipped by the mythic Dawn.

-121. Mephala. Daedric prince of obscurity and mysterys. Ruler over Spiral Skein, a plane in Oblivion. She helped founding the Morag Tong and collaborated with Clavicus Vile and Nocturnal to rule over the Aurbis but got tricked by Nocturnal.

-122. Meridia (Merid-Nunda). Et'Ada of light and living beings. She was a Magna Ge but couldn't flee from Mundus, which resulted in her being viewed as if she is a daedric Prince. She hates undead and is in open conflict with most other daedric princes. She helped stopping the Plane meld of Molag Bal and also helped stopping Nocturnal from rewriting reality and becoming omniscient. She granted Umaril the Unfeathered immortality to kill Pelinal Whitestrake. She teleported her city Delodiil into Coldharbour, which gives her influence in Molag Bals realm.

-123. Merrunz Dagon. Variation of Mehrunes Dagon in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-124. Mhara. Variation of Mara in the dunmeri Pantheon.

-125. Miraak. The first Dragonborn. Leader of the Dragon cult. He was worshipped by his cult and at some point tried to beat the Dragon Hegemony. He fled to Apocrypha where he became the Champion of Hermaeus Mora. He got killed by Mora during his fight with the last Dragonborn in Apocrypha in TES V.

-126. Mnemoli. A Star orphan. A Magna-Ge that only appears when Dragonbreaks occur.

-127. Mola Gbal. Variation of Molag Bal in the Ayleïd Pantheon.

-128. Molag Bal. Daedric prince of Domination and Enslavement. Ruler over Coldharbour, a plane in Oblivion. He created the Vampires on Nirn and started the plane meld to meld Nirn with Coldharbour. He was beaten by Meridia and an Hero with the CHIM-el-Adabal in his own realm.

-129. Molag Grunda. Daughter of Molag Bal, most likely a Demiprince. Killed by the vestige.

-130. Morihaus. The Breath of Men. A cultural demi-god Hero of Cyrodiil that helped Alessia and Pelinal to win the rebellion against the Ayleïds. He is often associated with Kyne and believed to be a winged man-Bull. He loved Alessia and legends claim that he was the one that took the White-Gold Tower from the Elves. It is uknown if he died.

-131. Morwha. Goddess of Fertiliy in the yokudan pantheon.

-132. (The) Moth. One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. One of the Hearth Gods. Representation of Dibella.

-133. Muluk. A god worshipped by the Goblins. Maybe related to Mauloch.

-134. Mystara. An uknown imperial goddess worshipped and mentioned in TES IV.

-135. Namiira. Variation of Namira in the Khajiiti Pantheon. She corrupts Khajiiti souls and is the evil antithesis to Khenarti. She was said to be the darkness in Lorkhajs heart and therefore the reason the et'Ada were forced to stay on Nirnis dwelling.

-136. Namira. Daedric prince of Darkness and Decay. Ruler over scuttling void, a plane in Oblivion. She is the patron of all cannibals. She is an Enemy of Arkay.

-137. Nerevar. Lord Indoril Nerevar, chimeri king of Resdayn. Founder of the first Council. Was killed by the Tribunal after the successful battle of red mountain. Was worshipped by the Nerevarine cult.

-138. Nerevarine. Reincarnation of Indoril Nerevar. Killed Dagoth Ur and destroyed the heart of Lorkhan. Killed Almalexia and disputedly Vivec. Worshipped by the new Dunmeri and Ashlander Pantheon.

-139. Nir. The interplay of Light and Darkness in the Khajiiti Pantheon. Beaten to death by Padomay.

-140. Nirn. The Planet. Center of Mundus and the creation of the aedra.

-141. Nirni. Variation of Nirn in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-142. Noctra. Variation of Nocturnal in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-143. Nocturnal. Daedric Prince of Night and Shadows. She is the patron of all thieves and burglars. She tried to rewrite the Existence and bto become omniscient by using the crystal tower in Summerset. For that she collaborated with Clavicus Vile and Mephala but tricked and backstabbed them in the end. She was stopped by the Vestige and the combined forces of Vile, Mephala and meridia.

-144. Notorgo. The Messenger god. Mentioned in TES II and TES III.

-145. Numidium. The Brass God. A colossal humanoid Golem created by the Dwemer to serve as a god for the Dwemer. It should have been used with the heart of Lorkhan but got used mainly with the Mantella later on Tiber Septims Conquests of Summerset. It always causes a Dragonbreak when used.

-146. Nycot. A variation of Clavicus Vile by some Cultists during the second era.

-147. Nyfa. Symbolization of Earth in Tsaesci culture.

-148. Oghma. Wife of Xarxes. She was created from Xarxes favourite moments in History.

-149. Onsi. Warrior God of the Yokudan/Redguard Pantheon. He taught mankind how to make swords out of their knives.

-150. Orgnum. God-King of the Maormer in Pyandonea. Said to be immortal.

-151. Orkey. A bad god in the nordic Pantheon. Combines aspects of Arkay and Malacath. He fooled the nords and turned their lifespan ro a maximum of 6 years. It is said that Nords and Elves had the same lifespan up to this point. It is also mentioned that he summoned Alduin in the merethic era and already plagued the atmorans.

-152. Orkha. A demon in the Khajiiti Pantheon. Conncted to Boethra in some way.

-153. Ozzozachar. The First Titan. Son of Molag bal, most likely a Demiprince.

-154. (The) Owl (wise-wing). One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. Representation of Jhunal.

-155. Padomay. One of the two primal forces, Change. The counterpart to Anu. Is part of every pantheon in some form. Said to be one of the creators of Aurbis. The Et'Ada arose from Anu and Padomay.

-156. Pahdome. Variation of Padomay. Mentioned in dunmeri books.

-157. Pelinal Whitestrake. The divine Crusader. Avatar of Shor and champion of Akatosh. He fought with Alessia and Morihaus in the alessian rebellion and emerged into nirn like a padomaic. He caused multiple god-like victorys and crimes against the Ayleïds and other people. He died while fighting Umaril the Unfeathered.

-158. Peryite. Daedric prince of pestilence, disease and natural order. His sphere is described as ordering the lowest orders of Oblivion. Considered as one of the weakest prince.

-159. Phynaster. The guardian. An altmeri Hero-god that is worshipped by many cults. He taught the Altmer to extend their lifetime by another 100 years by shortening their stride.

-160. Pina. A wind Deity connected to Kynareth. One of her fingers.

-161. Potema Septim. The Wolf Queen. Queen of Solitude and mother of Uriel III. Starter of the war of the red diamond.

-162. Q'olwen. God of Wisdom? Worshipped in High Rock in TES II.

-163. Rajhin. Thief god of the Khajiit. He stole Falinesti from Valenwood, Oghma Infinium from Hermaeus Mora and a tatoo from Empress Kintyras neck. He is an integral part of Khajiit culture.

-164. Reman. Founder of the Reman Empire. Proclaimed Dragonborn by the Akaviri Dragonguard that he founded. He conquered northern tamriel back from the Akaviri invaders and integrated all of Tamriel except Morrowind in his Empire. He is worshipped by many cults.

-165. Riana. Uknown Goddess worshipped by a cult in TES I.

-166. Riddle 'Thar. Cosmic order Deity of the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-167. Rid-Thar-ri'Datta. The first mane. Restored peace in the Elsweyr confederacy.

-168. (The) Ritual. One of the celestials under the protection of the Mage.

-169. Rkhed. Variation of Arkay in the Dunmeri Pantheon.

-170. (The) Ruddy Man. A Dreugh God that fought with Vivec. Possibly a variation of Molag Bal.

-171. Ruptga. The Tall Papa. God-Father of the Yokudan/redguard Pantheon. He figured out how to survive Satakals hunger.

-172. (The) Sage (Gyron Vardengroet). An immortal breton mage that is worshipped. Mentioned in TES II.

-173. Sai. The God of Luck in TES II in the Iliac Bay region.

-174. Sangiin. Variation of Sanguine in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-175. Sanguine. Daedric prince of hedonistic revelry, debauchery and passionate indulgences of darker natures. Ruler over the Myriad realms of Revelry, a plane in Oblivion.

-176. Satak. The Snake. It is the first being in the yokudan/redguard Pantheon. The Worlds existed on it's scales. When Satak gave into the hunger that was created by Akel, he started eating and was killed by Akel. The hunger refused to die though and the first serpent shed its skin.

-177. Satakal. The Worldskin. It is the God of everything in the Redguard Pantheon. It was created when the first serpent shed it's skin and time began anew. This new snake was Satakal. His hunger always ends the current kalpa in the Redguard Pantheon. (A combination of Anu and Padomay?)

-178. Secunda. The imperial version of the smaller moon.

-179. Sep. A variation of Lorkhan in the Redguard Pantheon.

-180. (The) Serpent. One of the Celestials. It is the only celestial without a guardian and the last constellation in Aurbis.

-181. Seth/Sethiete. A dark God worshipped by the Brotherhood of Seth in TES I. (Variation of Sithis?)

-182. (The) Shadow. One of the celestials under the protection of the Thief.

-183. Shagrath. Goddess of Spiders. Threatened Valenwood with an army of spiders.

-184. Sheggorath. Variation of Sheogorath in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-185. Sheog. Variation of Sheogorath in the dunmeri Pantheon.

-186. Sheogorath. Daedric Prince of madness. Ruler over the shivering isles, a plane in Oblivion. He was created by the other 15 Daedric princes after they cursed Jyggalag to become Sheogorath. He tricked all of the Princes atleast once and finally got mantled by the Hero of Kvatch in TES IV.

-187. Sheor. A demonic variation of Shor in the breton pantheon.

-188. Shezarr. Variation of Shor in the imperial pantheon. Worshipped by only very few cults.

-189. Shor. Variation of Lorkhan in the nordic pantheon. He fought with the humans against the gods and elves during the war in the dawn era. He was killed by the gods but is belived to rule over Sovngard.

-190. (The) Silvenar. Demi-god in bosmeri Culture. Connected to the Green Lady and represents the spiritual side of Valenwood. Spiritual leader of Valenwood.

-191. Sithis. The Void. He isn't daedric or Aedric and it still is debateable if he is an individual. He is the personification of Nothingness. He is worshipped by the dark brotherhood.

-192. Sithisit. Variation of Sithis in the dunmeri Pantheon.

-193. Snake. One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. One of the testing gods. Representation of Orkey.

-194. Sneggh. An Atmoran God. Either a variation of Sheogorath or the old nordic God "Snake" (Orkey). Shor won against this deity.

-195. Sotha Sil. Part of the Tribunal. Ruler and creator of the Clockwork City. He can predict the future and convinced 10 of the 17 Daedric princes to agree to the terms of the Coldharbour compact. He was killed by Almalexia in TES III.

-196. (The) Steed. One of the celestials under the protection of the Warrior.

-197. Stendarr. One of the 9 Divines, God of Mercy.

-198. Storihbeg. Patron of Skinchangers. An aspect of Hircine.

-199. Strenner. Probably a god worshipped in the Illiac bay region in TES II.

-200. Stuhn. Brother of Tsun. God of Ransom in the nordic pantheon. Shield-thane to Shor, that fought the Aldmer with mankind.

-201. Syrabane. An Altmer Hero-god. He aided Bendu Olo in the fall of the sload and saved many lives from the thrassian plague.

-202. S'rendarr. Variation of Stendarr in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-203. Tallatha. A wind Deity connected to Kynareth. One of her fingers.

-204. Talos (Tiber Septim). One of the 9 Divines. Hero-god of mankind and founder of the Empire of tamriel. He ascended to godhood after his death.

-205. Tava. Bird God. Yokudan god of air and sun. She lead the Yokudans to Tamriel after the Destruction of their continent.

-206. Thartaag. An aspect of the adversary in the Scaalic pantheon. He will devour the world at the end of time.

-207. Thendr. Variation of Stendarr in the Dunmeri pantheon.

-208. (The) Thief. One of the Celestials and one of the three guardians. Guardian of the thief constellation.

-209. Thorig. An uknown nordic God/myth that is mensch in TES I and TES II.

-210. Tosh Raka. God-King of the Ka'po'Tun. The only of his race that achieved

-211. (The) Tower. One of the Celestials under the protection of the Thief.

-212. Trinimac. An early aldmer and orsimer Hero-god. He was the one who shot Lorkhans heart away in some pantheons. He was killed and corrupted by Boethiah, forming him to Malacath.

-213. Tsun. God of trials against adversity. Nordic Hero-god that died while defending Shor from foreign gods. He is guarding the whalebone Bridge in Sovngarde.

-214. Tu'Whacca. The tricky god. The yokudan god of souls, the god of the far shores

-215. Umbra. Was a sword created by Clavicus Vile power but gained it's own sentience. It broke free of Viles will.

-216. Umbra'Keth. The Shadow of Conflict. Created by the conflict in the war of Bend'r Mahk. It would have been completed if it got the "soul of conflict", but was killed by the Hero of Azras Crossing.

-217. Urcanibeg. Patron of the Prey. An Aspect of Hircine.

-218. Vaermina. Daedric prince of Nightmares and dreams. Ruler of Quagmire, a plane in Oblivion.

-219. Varmiina. Variation of Vaermina in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-220. Veloth. The chimer prophet. He was responsible for leading the chimer to Resdayn.

-221. Vigryl. The god of sea. Worshipped in the Iliac Bay region in TES II.

-222. Vivec. Part of the Tribunal.only part of the Tribunal that could still be living. Lost his godly power after the Destruction of the Heart of Lorkhan.

-223. (The) Warrior. One of the Celestials and one of the three Guardians. Guardian of the Warrior constellation.

-224. Whale. One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. Representation of Stuhn.

-225. (The) Wilderking. God of Valenwood. Preserves the balance of nature and is worshipped by the tribal bosmer in greenshade. He created the hollows.

-226. Wolf. One of the animal gods of the old nordic pantheon. One of the hearth gods. Representation of Mara.

-227. Xarxes. God of secrets and hidden knowledge in the altmer and bosmer pantheon. Scribe of Auri-El. Creator of the Oghma Infinium.

-228. Xen. Variation of Z'en in the altmer pantheon.

-229. Xero-Lyg. One of the known Magna-Ge.

-230. Y'ffre. God of the forest. Most important god in the bosmeri pantheon. The first one to transform into an Ehlnofey. Also worshipped by the Khajiit.

-231. Ysmir. Dragon of the north. Refers to the nordic Aspect of Talos, as well as Wulfhard.

-232. Y'ffer. Variation of Y'ffre in the Khajiiti Pantheon.

-233. (The) Young Boy. An uknown person that showed Ysmir how to get to Aetherius.

-234. Zeht. The yokudan god of Farms. God of Agriculture. His renouncement of Tall Papa is the reason why it is so hard to grow food.

-235. Zenithar. One of the 9 divines. God of work, commerce and trade.

-236. Zeqqi. Madonna of tears. Water goddess and daughter of Zeht.

-237. Zisa. Symbolization of water in Tsaesci culture.

-238. Z'en. God of Toil. God of agriculture in the bosmeri pantheon.
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This comment is about the slick production values and over-commercialization that occurs, also with things like Christianity in "Mega-Churches", but which had already occurred in various forms in the past, with the big pomp involved in some religious ceremonies held for large gatherings.

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@timjohnson2533
6 hours ago
This video actually made me realize why I'm drifting away from watching these big-production TTRPG shows. It's something I haven't considered before as well. Simply: Characters are too big/deep to die. Backstories that are written like they're on a serial series that overshadow any mechanical sense of what they are. D&D classes don't interest me in the least, the actual characters that these shows come up with pick up that slack, however. But it also means that the stakes get lower. I see how reluctant that the DM's are to kill any one character because.. Well.. Suddenly it's asking a player to take a couple weeks off to write up another character with a long backstory.

I dunno. Something just.. isn't really exciting me about all these upcoming shows, and I don't think that it's all just 'Because it's yet another D&D show'. I think it's just.. too much production. None of these feel like games with friends anymore. It's all just giant productions and arenas and novelists writing everyone's characters for them and I think I'm past that. It's millions of dollars changing hands and the monetization of a game that was meant to be niche and between a bunch of nerdy kids.

The nerds got pushed out. It feels like it's all celebrity now.

The video gave me something to ponder, at least
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The idea I'm getting at is the production values and gamification of thinking and culture, how it may have been something old, how people now process things like history and understand religions and religious practices.

7:51

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/7/51/#gsc.tab=0

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who had taken their religion as play and a game, and the worldly life had deceived them. So, We shall forget them today, as they had forgotten to face this day of theirs, and as they used to deny Our signs
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https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... n-372.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... w-889.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... a-868.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... a-474.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... a-649.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Qur ... w-355.html

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/6/70/#gsc.tab=0

https://www.sideshow.com/collectibles/c ... les-200673

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercialization

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_budgeting

Most people today go to Wikipedia for their initial knowledge regarding something new to them, and which becomes the authoritative answer for many too:

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspecti ... o-big-tech



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televangelism

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12563b.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dais

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremony

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectator_sport





https://short-history.com/when-war-was- ... 8764d8c1b2

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Hipness_Purgatory



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Thoughts about personal gamification of religious practices.
I had this interesting conversation with someone about personal gamification of religion, and it really got me thinking. The idea is to take the principles of gamification – tracking progress, setting personal challenges, and reflecting on growth – and apply them to one's personal spiritual practice.

My conversation partner raised some concerns, however. They worried that personal gamification of religion might reduce the sacred to mere self-improvement, or that it could lead to an overemphasis on personal achievement rather than genuine spiritual growth and connection with others.

But I believe that personal gamification of religion has the potential to be a powerful tool for spiritual growth and development. By keeping a personal, private score of one's spiritual progress, individuals can create a sense of personal accountability and reflection. This can help them stay motivated and engaged in their spiritual practices.

I think it's also worth noting that God, as a loving and playful being, would likely delight in playing and interacting with individuals who approach their faith with a sense of playfulness and joy. Additionally, community as a whole has natural game-playing roots – after all, half of what we learn in life we learn through play as children. By embracing this natural inclination towards play, we can create a more engaging and meaningful faith journey.

Ultimately, I think personal gamification of religion is an idea worth exploring further. By incorporating elements of gamification into spiritual practices, individuals can deepen their connection with their faith, God, community and themselves.

P.S. I want to avoid "players" having a reward system, where good deeds are tallied up to earn a place in heaven. Instead, the reward I'm thinking of is the participation itself.

What do you think?


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MkleverSeriensoho
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1y ago
I agree with your partner.

"Gamification" should only be directed towards gaining knowledge, not for religious duties.

Muslims have this gamification of religious duties, where they have basically have prayer points and can double their prayer points on certain days and such. That's atrocious.

What you can gamify is gaining knowledge, such as reading the Bible, using things like Quizzes to test your knowledge.

In spiritual practices, I would heavily discourage. Prayers have to be sincere and attaching a "completion achievement" turns it into a bucket-list, which is, IMO, if not bad in and of itself, will very likely lead to a bad practice.

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I was intrigued by your mention of Islam. I've always wondered about the purpose of frequent prayer (in any religion). To me, prayer is about sharing honest thoughts or about making queries, so repetition seems puzzling. Not long ago, I learned about the "hasanat", which is the concept of good deeds rewarded by Allah. This resonated with my experience, where I witnessed wealthy Muslim men secretly donating large sums of money to the greater public good, such as funding open-source software development. What impressed me is that they also engaged in clever PR and donation schemes with unlikely western partners to drive progress in our society. It is cool that Islam requires them to keep their charitable acts anonymous, which is a more meaningful, "higher level" approach to gamification.


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joycekp
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1y ago
Thanks for sharing your point I am too thinking about it sometime

you shared gamifying on knowledge part I want to know from you, What do you think on shared track progress on knowledge like leaderboard or ranks.

church's are using quiz, verse competition for so long, they are also gamified but the goal of learning is to achieve those points or prize.

I like that this competitions help people learn verse which help us in our life.

But want to know how best we can run or host this env. of shared scores (like apps or inside church)


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AbelHydroidMcFarland
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1y ago
I would say care should be taken to avoid cheapening it.

So for example, I would say adding a poetic flair to the foreplaning of piety can be a beautiful thing.

For example, prior to Holy Trinity Sunday, I divided the other six days of the week setting aside two of each of those days to particularly hone in and focus on contemplating a particular person of the Trinity.


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One-Evening9734
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1y ago
I think if you hand a sinner a bat they are going to use that bat sinfully by nature.

If religion hands your a bat it’s best to hand it to God and let him decide what to do with it.

So many people are “helping themselves” with God…

God doesn’t want your help.. he wants you to stop trying to help with your bat… and put it down..

So he can show you the proper way



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Nobody is trying to help anyone. Chill. I like to play
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Their whole life seems to be pointing their fingers at strawmen that they make up and don't understand when they've been devoid of spirituality since becoming Christians in ancient times, because the religious authorities said "leave the religious stuff to us, you just watch":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rite

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_attendance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Day

https://looneytunes.fandom.com/wiki/Sun ... in%27_Time

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