How I came to dislike living in a capitalist society

[Socrates]

Another aspect of capitalism that bothers me, is the dependency on the service industry in wealthy areas. Now, there is nothing wrong with having baby sitters, or a nanny for unexpected long term commitments at work, or due to illness etc. What is wrong, in my opinion, is the market that has opened which takes care of children, animal pets and cleaning long term which is pre-arranged - a person looks for a nanny before they get pregnant, a person looks for a dog sitter before they get a dog! 

While this provides jobs, it is a silly market. Why have a dog or child, when you need someone else to take care of them? The service industry is massively under-payed and is one of the worst areas of exploitation, the wealthy want cheap servants, but the servants can't afford to live nearby and so they have to travel miles and miles each day for low wages and many hours, even multiple jobs.

The service industry has always been regarded as the job market for women and immigrants and is the first place to understand the wage and pay gap in a historical context and as an area of society where intersectional exploitation can be analysed in regards to Patriarchy and Capitalism.

This is a good example of where ethics and morals are overridden by the market - what kind of irresponsible practice is this?

[kFoyauextlH]

Very true. Sad there appears little to nothing that can easily be done about it. I hate those things myself. All I ever hear from workers generally are complaints, complaints about managers bosses co workers policies threats. Its a nightmare.

[atreestump]

At least they have policies and managers, most of the service industry are self employed or sub-contracted, so they have practically no rights.

[schi]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can't help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren't actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that 'governance', I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.

[atreestump]

What can we do? I totally agree @"schi" - neoliberalism seems so deeply entrenched that it's hard to get under it or beyond it - solitary projects seem like the only way forward for now.

I also agree that 'communism' has never really ever flourished, or come to fruition, as such.

[Serpius]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can't help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren't actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that 'governance', I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.


A side note to your side note...

Technically, North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship state and has been since it's founding in 1948. Sure, their North Korean propaganda has you believing it's a communist state, but it's not.

South Korea is NOT a communist state, never has been. It's a democratic state with elected representatives and South Korea has a government divided into three branches: executive, judicial, and legislative.

[atreestump]

'Communist' states like N.Korea do have dictatorship qualities, S.Korea is capitalist.

See my thread entitled 'The capitalist state'. It describes the three branches of government you describe.

[schi]

Going off the precedent of this thread I would just like to add that this model that which is currently renown as neo-liberalism is a plague for the worlds light. Capitalism championing individuality is backed by the markets of advertising and social media. Instilling a disturbing image that represents ourselves quite distortedly; is it intentional -probably. We walk with our guards constantly up, not daring to let anyone see our insecure selfs which capitalism successfully exploits. Rather than promoting solidarity and other communal like thought tanks.

All in all, yes it is a horrid system that seems to be so over head that you can't help but count down the minutes to midnight with anticipation residing on your shoulders. But what do we do? We have this constructive thinking being taken place in all corners of the globe, but we still ask ourselves what do we do to extend upon this? How can a culture organically be overtaken with a sustainable functioning system to take its place? I think we can use this vessel [forum] to implement something great.

[on a side note]
Just want to point out the Russia, China, N & S Korea aren't actually communist states, nor ever were. I am a communist at heart; and although I do understand the reality of that 'governance', I will never let a bad stain mistakenly take the beauty out of a society which is stateless and communally ran.


A side note to your side note...

Technically, North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship state and has been since it's founding in 1948. Sure, their North Korean propaganda has you believing it's a communist state, but it's not.

South Korea is NOT a communist state, never has been. It's a democratic state with elected representatives and South Korea has a government divided into three branches: executive, judicial, and legislative.


Yes. That is what I stated previously ^

I just took it upon myself to defend communism and its misunderstood doctrine since someone previously stated Russia, China and North Korea were communist states.

[kFoyauextlH]

I don't want to help out my fellow man as forced by the state. I would like robots to do most things and leave people to work on their interests and personal development in the ways which please them. Robots should do everything they can be made to do, covering all menial labor tasks.

I also want the abolishment for the most part of credit for work as money, and people can just get whatever they want and just as easily get rid of it.

To make and focus on making the world as much of a paradise and utopia as possible. Everything made faster, easier, more open, accessible. Eliminating hunger, disease, poverty, mental illness, and pointless labor for labors sake, even education in some ways, where people can pursue areas of education that they may wish to for free but not forced and made to hate it.

[atreestump]

I would like robots to do most things and leave people to work on their interests and personal development in the ways which please them. Robots should do everything they can


Yeah, wasn't that supposed to have happened by now? lol