Page 3 of 5
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:24 pm
by waechter418
Can you define or explain a number of crucial terms realted to Thelema in the format of writing the term followed by ":" and then a thorough explanation of what exactly is intended or meant by that term?
Will:
Love:
But also any other terms, like Self: or whatever else might be helpful.
The ideas were formulated in German language. To translate them into English required often a reformulation and the use of approximate terms - for example: I could not find an equivalent for "Weltbild". (I used instead "Selfimage")
I hope that the meaning of the key terms establishes through their contexts.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:37 pm
by kFoyauextlH
That is very cool, could you provide the German originals, the translations, and then a detailed description of how it is used and quotes by Thelemites or Crowley which seem to confirm it or materials Crowley or Thelemites or Gnostics might tend too use as examples which might bolster or demonstrate the ideas? It isn't that your article is lacking in clarity, I just thought it might help people more and be something good for your website as well as this website simultaneously if you were to write such a thing.
[hr]
I think Ontical and I are big fans of terms, German, French, and Greek philosophical and Metaphysical terminology, and have an interest in Early 20th Century and Late 19th Century Occult ideas, movements, and figures such as Crowley as well as German Philosophers and Theorists from around that time and French ones from before, and after.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:20 am
by waechter418
That is very cool, could you provide the German originals, the translations, and then a detailed description of how it is used and quotes by Thelemites or Crowley which seem to confirm it or materials Crowley or Thelemites or Gnostics might tend too use as examples which might bolster or demonstrate the ideas? It isn't that your article is lacking in clarity, I just thought it might help people more and be something good for your website as well as this website simultaneously if you were to write such a thing.
[hr]
I think Ontical and I are big fans of terms, German, French, and Greek philosophical and Metaphysical terminology, and have an interest in Early 20th Century and Late 19th Century Occult ideas, movements, and figures such as Crowley as well as German Philosophers and Theorists from around that time and French ones from before, and after.
Some of the German texts appear in waechter418.wordpress.com/selbstbewusstsein/
while the majority are stored in a drawer. I haven´t taken time to dig through 11 years of handwriting - and even less, since i began to make my living as a farmer (which is a full-time job) :blush:
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:41 am
by kFoyauextlH
I'd love for all your great work to be transcribed and saved online. Others here are also interested in thingslike farming and self-sufficiency.
[hr]
https://books.google.ca/books?id=6LkSKIfWr7oC&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=Eliphas+Levi+on+Muhammad&source=bl&ots=iWMKcDrb5_&sig=qrYE_EoNbuo4ipJ9ZSgyHgiVQoA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqk5Dr_cjTAhUQ6GMKHfmAAOI4ChDoAQhKMAw
As the quote goes on it mentions some things which may be relevant here.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:48 pm
by waechter418
Mental/physical self-sufficiency might serve as a base (LAL: "island") to disengage from, or deal with, a psycho/somatic auto-fragmentation - and is thus a main objective of this work.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:54 am
by waechter418
I try to distinct between personal Self-design and circumstantial Self-image. Latter is common, prior can bring about a Selfrealisation in form of a reflection-projection equation.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:28 am
by Socrates
I try to distinct between personal Self-design and circumstantial Self-image. Latter is common, prior can bring about a Selfrealisation in form of a reflection-projection equation.
How can you tell what is indirectly 'you' and what is made by 'you'?
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:05 am
by kFoyauextlH
I'd love to hear all and every members answer on that as well. In my view I can not really distinguish credit regions as anything more than convenient figures of speech.
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:07 am
by atreestump
Credit regions?
Re: A thelemic view of consciousness
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:16 am
by kFoyauextlH
Haha yeah I noticed that too, I am glad you did as well. It means distinct regions or borders where responsibility or credit is assigned. For example, a gun, a hand, a body, a deliberate thought.
The gun is considered an object and may be considered a credit region, so when someone says "the gun went off" it is putting the responsibility or fault or credit around the gun region and what it encompasses like its mechanisms.
The hand by itself is considered or can be considered an individual credit region, so if someone says my hand just jolted then they are distinguishing the hand from their self and making it clear the hand has or is its own credit region or can be.
The body likewise can be distinguished when it acts without a sense of control or awareness.
What most people consider their self or give credit to is their conscious and deliberate seeming thought processes which appear to command the body, but the body itself can be blamed individually and distinct from the conscious and deliberately planning mind, the thoughts of which also passively arise.