Wow! When did you make that? It reminds me of the sorts of things I try to bring up and collect notes regarding. That was totally excellent, no time wasting, your voice and accent didn't infuriate me like the majority of YouTube video people, it had nice pictures and pacing, and even better background music from our time in the 90s and early 2000s sort of video games, electronic, techno, industrial, digital sounding "cool" music that I love and which relaxes me. I loved the way it was old fashioned seeming, like the very earliest days of online videos which were actually oftentimes much more unique with their information and did not start at a point that is way too early and explaining everything from the beginning of human history nor did it leave any questions, it was dense with information of interest and no annoying tangents, fluff, or awkward failed attempts at humor.
I loved it. It also emboldened me a bit since I often feel a little tinge of fear with everything I post that I'm talking about and bringing up things that are too different from whatever you may prefer yourself, but based on this video it does not seem that the things that we are interested in and the ways that we intend to think about them and discuss them are really different, and I and what I bring up probably fit pretty well in here, while literally the rest of the world population is barely similar seeming or interested in things like this or approaching them in this way.
We also both now have long or longish hair, tied up when we are dealing with people or working sometimes so that it doesn't get in the way, and probably similar builds and preferences in a variety of things, including what we probably don't like.
Nature vs. Nurture?
I grew up in the United States and you grew up in the U.K., around the same time roughly, possibly with some similar media as well as some different media. Our most recent genetics may not be similar but may have ended up similar in ways where the far flung places in the background don't matter. This seems to even potentially go as far as the taste palette for food preferences and flavors, and it all connects to morality too as much of that can be based in neurological tendencies and sensitivities where some things end up triggering a repugnance or disgusted aversion, which is visceral and sensory, related to some moral issues.
The similarities as well as differences between any people is something that really fascinates me and a topic I often, maybe daily, return to, thinking about how people turn out certain ways or make certain decisions or even change, which is especially curious, since a turning point may also be illusory and I wonder if there was something already there which is just manifesting differently or something else gets turned on or off.
Currently, inc*st is being promoted across the world in a way like it probably never has before, from some of the same major promoters of inc*st from the past also. One of the biggest promotions of inc*st without consequences has been from stories that were spread through the Bible, reaching more people across the world and becoming hugely influential. The biggest Empire at one time, eith the largest population, eventually developed an idea of "self-marriage" and close co-sanguinous marriage as a supposed ideal among the elite class initially, possibly derived from mythology and it is questionable how much it was made a literal reality overall. The latest inc*stuos promotion and fantasy comes from modern p*rnography that is eidespread across the world, with the newly acquired companies becoming hyper-focused, even against the interest of the general public, in using terms like "sister" and "mother" to be some kind of taboo kink shorthand for younger female and older female, along with who the male may want to use as their avatar, the "brother" or the "dad" or someone of authority that is abusing their authority like a security guard, teacher, doctor, or therapist. Finally, inc*st has permeated the popular culture worldwide in another way recently as part of the convoluted and perverse storyline of the extremely popular Elden Ring, which woulf not have likely gotten much attention except through "lore" videos spread through YouTube that emphasize grotesque and taboo elements like in the story of a character called Mohg:
What does it mean to be human ?
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Re: What does it mean to be human ?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... VideoGames
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7219684/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X24000629
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... hat_do_not
https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/13/5/111
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/social-t ... orm-change
https://www.jendannals.com/uploads/9/7/ ... sandli.pdf
People who do not conform to some of the norms are sometimes considered "inhuman" and "monsters".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster
https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiasantos/ ... -elsewhere
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters ... -mysteries
https://www.nationaljusticemuseum.org.u ... loody-code
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6942640/
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/scienti ... they-found
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Horcrux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_manias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouros
https://biblehub.com/greek/5046.htm
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussi ... f-the-gods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1322245/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in ... _mythology
https://www.japanpowered.com/folklore-a ... -amaterasu
https://recordofancientmatters.wordpres ... m-and-eve/
https://eatupjapan.weebly.com/blog/erot ... -mythorogy
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... vineIncest
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/ar ... le/1282897
"
THE JAPANESE CREATION MYTH,
THE VIOLATION OF TABOOS AND
THE CONSTRUCTION OF
MODERNITY IN “PROFOUND
DESIRES OF THE GODS”
Mikail Boz1
Abstract
Myths include positive and negative elements, which the concept of modern social life is referred to, even
though they seem to be the phenomena of ancient times. With its positive meaning, though it is a type of
narrative which handles extraordinary subjects that happen to extraordinary people, the potential of this
narrative to create a specific mystification leads myths to be interpreted as a carrier of “false
consciousness”. Film texts are also a tool that constantly enables this double meaning and the element to
the audiences.
1 Dr. Öğretim Üyesi, Yozgat Bozok Üniversitesi İletişim Fakültesi Radyo Televizyon ve Sinema Bölümü, bozmikail@gmail.com,
ORCID: 0000-0003-4276-1521
Makalenin Geliş Tarihi. 09.09.2020 Makalenin Kabul Tarihi: 10.12.2020
© Yazar(lar) (veya ilgili kurum(lar)) 2020. Atıf lisansı (CC BY-NC 4.0) çerçevesinde yeniden kullanılabilir. Ticari kullanımlara izin verilmez.
Ayrıntılı bilgi için açık erişim politikasına bakınız. Hacettepe Üniversitesi İletişim Fakültesi tarafından yayınlanmıştır.
334
Moment | 2020, 7(2): 334-353 | Mikail Boz
The relationship between mythography and cinema are analyzed within a specific film text in this study.
Profound Desires of the Gods (Kamigami no fukaki yokubô), which was directed by Shohei Imamura and
released in 1968, explicitly addresses the Japanese creation myth. While the incidents experienced by the
Futori family due to various crimes and the violations of taboos are handled in the forefront, concerns and
fears about Japanese modernization are mentioned in the background. In this context, qualitative,
structuralist mythographic analysis is made about this film in terms of the concepts of myth, taboo,
violation, and modernization. In this film, which is analyzed under the conceptual opposites and titles such
as nature/culture, taboo/violation, civilized/uncivilized, traditional/modern with the method of binary
oppositions explained by Levi-Strauss, it is seen that the Japanese creation myth is tried to be revived, and
the longing to traditional Japan against modern one emerge as a prominent discourse. It is determined that
a modernization perspective without modernity becomes a prominent discourse in the film.
"
Here come the total crazies:
https://dirtydesires.quora.com/Have-you ... our-sister
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog ... eally-mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perversion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance_(sociology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphous_perversity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviant_(comics)
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Who%27 ... 27s_Palace
https://uppercutcrit.com/metaphor-refan ... -about-it/
https://game8.co/games/Metaphor-ReFanta ... ves/480305
https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Founding_Titan
"
meanwhile the king forced his daughters to eat Ymir's corpse in an attempt to preserve the power of the Titans. He commanded the daughters to continue to reproduce and cannibalize each other so that Ymir's blood does not run out and Eldia could rule forever with its Titans. Ymir's powers became the Nine Titans and she continued to serve her descendants, building them Titans whenever they invoked the power of the Titans.
"
"
The act of a character killing and/or eating their own children appears in several Greek plays and myths, most notably
the tragedy Medea by Euripides, and the myths of the Titan Cronus and the king Tantalus.
In Greek Plays
Medea by Euripides: In this famous tragedy first performed in 431 BCE, the protagonist Medea murders her two young sons as an act of vengeance against their father, Jason, who has abandoned her to marry a Corinthian princess. This is an act of filicide for revenge, not cannibalism.
In earlier versions of the myth, the children were typically murdered by the citizens of Corinth after Medea fled, so Euripides' version, where she is the direct killer, was an innovation that has become the standard story.
Thyestes (Roman play based on Greek myth): The Roman tragedian Seneca wrote a play based on the Greek myth of Thyestes. In the myth, as a gruesome act of revenge, Thyestes' brother Atreus murders Thyestes' children, cooks them into a stew, and serves them to their unsuspecting father at a feast. When Thyestes realizes he has consumed the flesh of his own sons, he curses his family, leading to a generational curse known as the House of Atreus.
In Greek Mythology
While not always depicted in surviving full plays, these myths were foundational to Greek drama:
Cronus The Titan ruler Cronus swallowed each of his children whole as they were born, to prevent a prophecy that one of them would overthrow him, just as he had overthrown his own father, Uranus. His wife, Rhea, saved their youngest son, Zeus, by tricking Cronus into swallowing a rock wrapped in a blanket instead. When Zeus grew up, he forced Cronus to regurgitate his siblings, who were all still alive, leading to the war between the Titans and Olympians.
Tantalus A mortal king and son of Zeus, Tantalus committed a grave sin by murdering his son, Pelops, cutting him into pieces, and serving him in a stew to the gods at a banquet to test their omniscience. The gods immediately realized the gruesome nature of the meal (except for a grief-stricken Demeter, who accidentally ate a shoulder). They resurrected Pelops and condemned Tantalus to eternal punishment in the underworld, where he is "tantalized" by food and water that are forever out of reach.
"
https://mythology.stackexchange.com/que ... nto-pieces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwedodah
https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ ... xt-of-kin/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_ancient_Egypt
https://ikhet-sekhmet.livejournal.com/58943.html
https://africame.factsanddetails.com/ar ... ry-69.html
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56 ... -6070.html
https://www.thequeerclassicist.com/post ... tion-story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_between_twins
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.246 ... 5.76.2.611
"
A random sample of 5,182 adults from 6 U.S. metropolitan areas were questioned about incestuous sexual relationships during childhood. Incest was disproportionately reported by both male and female bisexuals and homosexuals. 148 gays (7.7% of the sample) reported 14 (50%) of same-sex, and 7 (22%) of opposite-sex incestuous experiences, and 20 (69%) of same-sex and 2 (3%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 88 lesbians (3% of the sample) reported 2 (33%) of same-sex incest and 7 (9%) of opposite-sex incest and 1 (17%) of same-sex and 10 (13%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 12% of 98 male homosexuals vs 0.8% of 1,224 male heterosexuals with a brother reported brother-brother incest. These findings are consonant with those of other studies in which disproportionately more incest by homosexuals was reported. As opposed to an evolutionary genetic hypothesis, these data support the alternative that homosexuality may be learned, since homosexuals do not produce children at sustainable levels and the incidence of homosexuality varies as a function of various social factors. Incest cannot be excluded as a significant basis for homosexuality.
"
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/D ... e0b128b235
https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/2012/ ... comments/6
https://newdiscourses.com/2022/07/queer ... iscourses/
https://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1368
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchites
"
They are first mentioned in the 370s by Ephrem the Syrian,[2] Epiphanius of Salamis,[3] and Jerome,[4][5] and are also mentioned by Archbishop Atticus of Constantinople, Theodotus of Antioch, and Archbishop Sisinnius I of Constantinople.[6] They were first condemned as heretical in a synod in 383 AD (Side, Pamphylia), whose acta was referred to in the works of Photius.[7] Their leader was supposedly a man named Peter who claimed to be Jesus.[8] Before being stoned for his blasphemies, he promised his followers that after three days he would rise from his tomb in the shape of a wolf, attracting the title of Lycopetrus or Peter the Wolf.[8] The mainstream Christian leaders believed it was not the man Peter who would come out of the grave, but a devil in disguise.[9]
They continued to exist for several centuries, influencing the Bogomils of Bulgaria (who are called Lycopetrians in an abjuration formula of 1027)[10][8] and, thereby, also influencing the Bosnian Church and Catharism.[11]
Michael Psellos, a Byzantine monk, accused Bogomils and Euchites of orgiastic practices, incest, and homosexuality. Furthermore, he argued that children born from these promiscuous activities were brought before a Satanic assembly after eight days, offered up to Satan and then cannibalistically eaten. This cannibalistic act was supposedly a parody of baptism. Euthymios Zigabenos, a later Byzantine monastic writer, would make the same accusations. Such charges have a long history, and historians debate whether they are truthful to any degree: the idea of these unholy acts can be traced back further to alleged practices of certain Gnostic sects; indeed, a similar literary tradition regarding heresies seems to have been brought into existence well before the Christian era, during the reign of the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes.[12]
Modern scholarship has also questioned whether a coherent heretical movement existed behind these condemnations, and has emphasised instead the friction in the Eastern Church caused by Messalianism's "ascetical practices and imagistic language far more characteristic of Syriac Christianity than of the imperial Church centred on Constantinople".[13]
Messalians taught that once a person experienced the essence of God they were freed from moral obligations or ecclesiastical discipline.[14][15] They had male and female teachers, the "perfecti", whom they honored more than the clergy. The condemnation of the sect by John Damascene and Timothy of Constantinople expressed the view that the sect espoused a sort of mystical materialism. Their critics also accused them of incest, cannibalism and "debauchery" (in Armenia, their name came to mean "filthy")[16] but scholars reject these claims.[17]
"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athinganoi
https://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2008 ... rsion-too/
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... s_and_Zeno
https://pure-oai.bham.ac.uk/ws/portalfi ... tyrdom.pdf
https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showt ... ?tid=18848
https://reasonandmeaning.com/2014/10/11 ... to-part-1/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7219684/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X24000629
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... hat_do_not
https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/13/5/111
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/social-t ... orm-change
https://www.jendannals.com/uploads/9/7/ ... sandli.pdf
People who do not conform to some of the norms are sometimes considered "inhuman" and "monsters".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster
https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiasantos/ ... -elsewhere
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters ... -mysteries
https://www.nationaljusticemuseum.org.u ... loody-code
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6942640/
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/scienti ... they-found
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Horcrux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_manias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kouros
https://biblehub.com/greek/5046.htm
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussi ... f-the-gods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1322245/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in ... _mythology
https://www.japanpowered.com/folklore-a ... -amaterasu
https://recordofancientmatters.wordpres ... m-and-eve/
https://eatupjapan.weebly.com/blog/erot ... -mythorogy
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... vineIncest
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/ar ... le/1282897
"
THE JAPANESE CREATION MYTH,
THE VIOLATION OF TABOOS AND
THE CONSTRUCTION OF
MODERNITY IN “PROFOUND
DESIRES OF THE GODS”
Mikail Boz1
Abstract
Myths include positive and negative elements, which the concept of modern social life is referred to, even
though they seem to be the phenomena of ancient times. With its positive meaning, though it is a type of
narrative which handles extraordinary subjects that happen to extraordinary people, the potential of this
narrative to create a specific mystification leads myths to be interpreted as a carrier of “false
consciousness”. Film texts are also a tool that constantly enables this double meaning and the element to
the audiences.
1 Dr. Öğretim Üyesi, Yozgat Bozok Üniversitesi İletişim Fakültesi Radyo Televizyon ve Sinema Bölümü, bozmikail@gmail.com,
ORCID: 0000-0003-4276-1521
Makalenin Geliş Tarihi. 09.09.2020 Makalenin Kabul Tarihi: 10.12.2020
© Yazar(lar) (veya ilgili kurum(lar)) 2020. Atıf lisansı (CC BY-NC 4.0) çerçevesinde yeniden kullanılabilir. Ticari kullanımlara izin verilmez.
Ayrıntılı bilgi için açık erişim politikasına bakınız. Hacettepe Üniversitesi İletişim Fakültesi tarafından yayınlanmıştır.
334
Moment | 2020, 7(2): 334-353 | Mikail Boz
The relationship between mythography and cinema are analyzed within a specific film text in this study.
Profound Desires of the Gods (Kamigami no fukaki yokubô), which was directed by Shohei Imamura and
released in 1968, explicitly addresses the Japanese creation myth. While the incidents experienced by the
Futori family due to various crimes and the violations of taboos are handled in the forefront, concerns and
fears about Japanese modernization are mentioned in the background. In this context, qualitative,
structuralist mythographic analysis is made about this film in terms of the concepts of myth, taboo,
violation, and modernization. In this film, which is analyzed under the conceptual opposites and titles such
as nature/culture, taboo/violation, civilized/uncivilized, traditional/modern with the method of binary
oppositions explained by Levi-Strauss, it is seen that the Japanese creation myth is tried to be revived, and
the longing to traditional Japan against modern one emerge as a prominent discourse. It is determined that
a modernization perspective without modernity becomes a prominent discourse in the film.
"
Here come the total crazies:
https://dirtydesires.quora.com/Have-you ... our-sister
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog ... eally-mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perversion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance_(sociology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphous_perversity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviant_(comics)
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Who%27 ... 27s_Palace
https://uppercutcrit.com/metaphor-refan ... -about-it/
https://game8.co/games/Metaphor-ReFanta ... ves/480305
https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Founding_Titan
"
meanwhile the king forced his daughters to eat Ymir's corpse in an attempt to preserve the power of the Titans. He commanded the daughters to continue to reproduce and cannibalize each other so that Ymir's blood does not run out and Eldia could rule forever with its Titans. Ymir's powers became the Nine Titans and she continued to serve her descendants, building them Titans whenever they invoked the power of the Titans.
"
"
The act of a character killing and/or eating their own children appears in several Greek plays and myths, most notably
the tragedy Medea by Euripides, and the myths of the Titan Cronus and the king Tantalus.
In Greek Plays
Medea by Euripides: In this famous tragedy first performed in 431 BCE, the protagonist Medea murders her two young sons as an act of vengeance against their father, Jason, who has abandoned her to marry a Corinthian princess. This is an act of filicide for revenge, not cannibalism.
In earlier versions of the myth, the children were typically murdered by the citizens of Corinth after Medea fled, so Euripides' version, where she is the direct killer, was an innovation that has become the standard story.
Thyestes (Roman play based on Greek myth): The Roman tragedian Seneca wrote a play based on the Greek myth of Thyestes. In the myth, as a gruesome act of revenge, Thyestes' brother Atreus murders Thyestes' children, cooks them into a stew, and serves them to their unsuspecting father at a feast. When Thyestes realizes he has consumed the flesh of his own sons, he curses his family, leading to a generational curse known as the House of Atreus.
In Greek Mythology
While not always depicted in surviving full plays, these myths were foundational to Greek drama:
Cronus The Titan ruler Cronus swallowed each of his children whole as they were born, to prevent a prophecy that one of them would overthrow him, just as he had overthrown his own father, Uranus. His wife, Rhea, saved their youngest son, Zeus, by tricking Cronus into swallowing a rock wrapped in a blanket instead. When Zeus grew up, he forced Cronus to regurgitate his siblings, who were all still alive, leading to the war between the Titans and Olympians.
Tantalus A mortal king and son of Zeus, Tantalus committed a grave sin by murdering his son, Pelops, cutting him into pieces, and serving him in a stew to the gods at a banquet to test their omniscience. The gods immediately realized the gruesome nature of the meal (except for a grief-stricken Demeter, who accidentally ate a shoulder). They resurrected Pelops and condemned Tantalus to eternal punishment in the underworld, where he is "tantalized" by food and water that are forever out of reach.
"
https://mythology.stackexchange.com/que ... nto-pieces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwedodah
https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ ... xt-of-kin/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_ancient_Egypt
https://ikhet-sekhmet.livejournal.com/58943.html
https://africame.factsanddetails.com/ar ... ry-69.html
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56 ... -6070.html
https://www.thequeerclassicist.com/post ... tion-story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_between_twins
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.246 ... 5.76.2.611
"
A random sample of 5,182 adults from 6 U.S. metropolitan areas were questioned about incestuous sexual relationships during childhood. Incest was disproportionately reported by both male and female bisexuals and homosexuals. 148 gays (7.7% of the sample) reported 14 (50%) of same-sex, and 7 (22%) of opposite-sex incestuous experiences, and 20 (69%) of same-sex and 2 (3%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 88 lesbians (3% of the sample) reported 2 (33%) of same-sex incest and 7 (9%) of opposite-sex incest and 1 (17%) of same-sex and 10 (13%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 12% of 98 male homosexuals vs 0.8% of 1,224 male heterosexuals with a brother reported brother-brother incest. These findings are consonant with those of other studies in which disproportionately more incest by homosexuals was reported. As opposed to an evolutionary genetic hypothesis, these data support the alternative that homosexuality may be learned, since homosexuals do not produce children at sustainable levels and the incidence of homosexuality varies as a function of various social factors. Incest cannot be excluded as a significant basis for homosexuality.
"
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/D ... e0b128b235
https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/2012/ ... comments/6
https://newdiscourses.com/2022/07/queer ... iscourses/
https://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1368
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euchites
"
They are first mentioned in the 370s by Ephrem the Syrian,[2] Epiphanius of Salamis,[3] and Jerome,[4][5] and are also mentioned by Archbishop Atticus of Constantinople, Theodotus of Antioch, and Archbishop Sisinnius I of Constantinople.[6] They were first condemned as heretical in a synod in 383 AD (Side, Pamphylia), whose acta was referred to in the works of Photius.[7] Their leader was supposedly a man named Peter who claimed to be Jesus.[8] Before being stoned for his blasphemies, he promised his followers that after three days he would rise from his tomb in the shape of a wolf, attracting the title of Lycopetrus or Peter the Wolf.[8] The mainstream Christian leaders believed it was not the man Peter who would come out of the grave, but a devil in disguise.[9]
They continued to exist for several centuries, influencing the Bogomils of Bulgaria (who are called Lycopetrians in an abjuration formula of 1027)[10][8] and, thereby, also influencing the Bosnian Church and Catharism.[11]
Michael Psellos, a Byzantine monk, accused Bogomils and Euchites of orgiastic practices, incest, and homosexuality. Furthermore, he argued that children born from these promiscuous activities were brought before a Satanic assembly after eight days, offered up to Satan and then cannibalistically eaten. This cannibalistic act was supposedly a parody of baptism. Euthymios Zigabenos, a later Byzantine monastic writer, would make the same accusations. Such charges have a long history, and historians debate whether they are truthful to any degree: the idea of these unholy acts can be traced back further to alleged practices of certain Gnostic sects; indeed, a similar literary tradition regarding heresies seems to have been brought into existence well before the Christian era, during the reign of the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes.[12]
Modern scholarship has also questioned whether a coherent heretical movement existed behind these condemnations, and has emphasised instead the friction in the Eastern Church caused by Messalianism's "ascetical practices and imagistic language far more characteristic of Syriac Christianity than of the imperial Church centred on Constantinople".[13]
Messalians taught that once a person experienced the essence of God they were freed from moral obligations or ecclesiastical discipline.[14][15] They had male and female teachers, the "perfecti", whom they honored more than the clergy. The condemnation of the sect by John Damascene and Timothy of Constantinople expressed the view that the sect espoused a sort of mystical materialism. Their critics also accused them of incest, cannibalism and "debauchery" (in Armenia, their name came to mean "filthy")[16] but scholars reject these claims.[17]
"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athinganoi
https://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2008 ... rsion-too/
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... s_and_Zeno
https://pure-oai.bham.ac.uk/ws/portalfi ... tyrdom.pdf
https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/showt ... ?tid=18848
https://reasonandmeaning.com/2014/10/11 ... to-part-1/
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An Oklahoma man who killed a 10-year-old girl in a cannibalistic fantasy died by lethal injection Thursday in the nation’s 25th and final execution of the year.
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Underwood’s attorneys had argued that he deserved to be spared the death penalty because of his long history of abuse and serious mental health issues that included autism, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar and panic disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, schizotypal personality disorder and various deviant sexual paraphilias.
Prosecutors argued that many people suffer from mental illness, but that doesn’t justify harming children.
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Underwood, a former grocery store worker, was sentenced to die for killing Jamie Rose Bolin in 2006. He admitted to luring Jamie into his apartment and beating her over the head with a cutting board before suffocating and sexually assaulting her. He told investigators that he nearly beheaded Jamie in his bathtub before abandoning his plans to eat her.
Strapped to a gurney inside the death chamber on Thursday, Underwood apologized to Jamie’s family and to his own family “for all the terrible things I did.”
“The decision to execute me on my birthday and six days before Christmas was a needlessly cruel thing to do to my family,” Underwood said, “but I’m very sorry for what I did and I wish I could take it back.”
Underwood looked over to members of his legal team and his family, including his mother, as the execution began at 10:04 a.m.. His breathing hitched slightly and his eyes closed a few minutes later. A doctor entered the execution chamber at 10:09 a.m., shook him a few times and declared him unconscious. He was pronounced dead five minutes later.
Jamie’s sister, Lori Pate, who was among several relatives who witnessed the execution, thanked prosecutors for helping guide her family through the nearly 18-year process from Jamie’s death to Underwood’s execution.
“This doesn’t bring our Jamie back but it does allow the space in our hearts to focus on her and allow the healing process to begin,” Pate said.
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An Oklahoma man who killed a 10-year-old girl in a cannibalistic fantasy died by lethal injection Thursday in the nation’s 25th and final execution of the year.
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Underwood’s attorneys had argued that he deserved to be spared the death penalty because of his long history of abuse and serious mental health issues that included autism, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar and panic disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, schizotypal personality disorder and various deviant sexual paraphilias.
Prosecutors argued that many people suffer from mental illness, but that doesn’t justify harming children.
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Underwood, a former grocery store worker, was sentenced to die for killing Jamie Rose Bolin in 2006. He admitted to luring Jamie into his apartment and beating her over the head with a cutting board before suffocating and sexually assaulting her. He told investigators that he nearly beheaded Jamie in his bathtub before abandoning his plans to eat her.
Strapped to a gurney inside the death chamber on Thursday, Underwood apologized to Jamie’s family and to his own family “for all the terrible things I did.”
“The decision to execute me on my birthday and six days before Christmas was a needlessly cruel thing to do to my family,” Underwood said, “but I’m very sorry for what I did and I wish I could take it back.”
Underwood looked over to members of his legal team and his family, including his mother, as the execution began at 10:04 a.m.. His breathing hitched slightly and his eyes closed a few minutes later. A doctor entered the execution chamber at 10:09 a.m., shook him a few times and declared him unconscious. He was pronounced dead five minutes later.
Jamie’s sister, Lori Pate, who was among several relatives who witnessed the execution, thanked prosecutors for helping guide her family through the nearly 18-year process from Jamie’s death to Underwood’s execution.
“This doesn’t bring our Jamie back but it does allow the space in our hearts to focus on her and allow the healing process to begin,” Pate said.
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