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atreestump
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You can not die
[quote]Arkilogos wrote:
Or are we brains in vats? How would we know?[/quote]
We are not BIV's because private languages do not exist. A BIV is basically solipsism.
Or are we brains in vats? How would we know?[/quote]
We are not BIV's because private languages do not exist. A BIV is basically solipsism.
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: You can not die
Could you elaborate on this private languages idea that you mentioned?
The most extreme BIV idea, or something like the Matrix films depicted, has either one mind that only a portion of which is being used to generate reality and it is not consciously able to control many other parts but resources are being used from it to experience what it does, though I'm not sure that is what they were thinking or suggesting necessarily. The other idea might be that we're a BIV connected to a system which may or may not include other BIV. If there are other BIV and a system, then that is like the Matrix, if just a system and you're the only BIV then that is like the film where the guy keeps reliving the events that took place on a train, it was called Source Code, and there might be hints in other films with these three variations suggesting at least some of the following:
This reality you are experiencing is more like a dream or a simulation that differs from your current state in a more real reality, where you or your physical form or some form of you, perhaps a more real form, perhaps a more abstract form, an energetic form, an ideal form, is elsewhere than it realizes as your thought processes are consumed by thinking the simulation or dream or hallucination is your only reality because you are unaware of anything else mainly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
You are either alone and wholly responsible for all that you experience, even though you are not consciously in control, but something that can be considered "you", in a way similar to how we are unaware of and not in conscious control of many of our bodily systems but are still credited with those being somehow "ours",
or
You are hooked up or connected to something, not necessarily mechanical or sci-fi style, but some system is involved that is not considered you or part of you like in the former option.
The idea about a greater system can then extend to other minds or intelligences that are similar to oneself or different from oneself operating within the system, and furthermore the idea can differ as to what is considered responsible for the system, as either dominating it from within or influencing it from outside of it.
Finally, people can also speculate about things that have nothing to do with this supposed system or our reality or the simulation we may be part of or considered responsible for.
These ideas tend to come off as silly yo many people, though others are impressed by such ideas, and it is interesting why or how it manages to do that to certain people.
Another element may be the claim of trying to access outside of the system or to manipulate it.
For the vast majority of people, whatever we are experiencing is all we know and have access to, so these other ideas seem fanciful or deluded and a waste of time if any worthwhile evidence can not emerge as yo how we can pragmatically and quickly start seeing our way to more preferable results for ourselves, like eradicating suffering for ourselves and then also others, instantly deleting threats and ehatever concerns us snd causes us stress or displeasure.
I have a whole list of things I'd really love to delete in an instant, and it annoys me to be blamed or called responsible for all the things in reality or even my own life and personal health which encumber me, I really want to beat the living daylights out of people who just throw out things like "if you're blind, just see!", like a joke song I put up on this site somewhere. Snooty people who seem to like to present themselves as having everything and no troubles tend to like and promote ideas like these, as well as those faking it until they make it, and people in completely opposite situations who somehow insist that if they just think hard enough they will somehow magically get out of their problems, but they never seem to. It all also reminds me of the missing steps in South Park's gnomes' "pants=money" plan.
One of the ideas might suggest that we have opted at some point to enter into a simulation that may be presenting an extra lengthy impression of a short amount of time in our more "real" experience, where we signed up to enter into this simulation, potentially repeatedly, with some suggesting possibly that it was sold to us as a form of entertainment or experience tourism.
The most extreme BIV idea, or something like the Matrix films depicted, has either one mind that only a portion of which is being used to generate reality and it is not consciously able to control many other parts but resources are being used from it to experience what it does, though I'm not sure that is what they were thinking or suggesting necessarily. The other idea might be that we're a BIV connected to a system which may or may not include other BIV. If there are other BIV and a system, then that is like the Matrix, if just a system and you're the only BIV then that is like the film where the guy keeps reliving the events that took place on a train, it was called Source Code, and there might be hints in other films with these three variations suggesting at least some of the following:
This reality you are experiencing is more like a dream or a simulation that differs from your current state in a more real reality, where you or your physical form or some form of you, perhaps a more real form, perhaps a more abstract form, an energetic form, an ideal form, is elsewhere than it realizes as your thought processes are consumed by thinking the simulation or dream or hallucination is your only reality because you are unaware of anything else mainly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
You are either alone and wholly responsible for all that you experience, even though you are not consciously in control, but something that can be considered "you", in a way similar to how we are unaware of and not in conscious control of many of our bodily systems but are still credited with those being somehow "ours",
or
You are hooked up or connected to something, not necessarily mechanical or sci-fi style, but some system is involved that is not considered you or part of you like in the former option.
The idea about a greater system can then extend to other minds or intelligences that are similar to oneself or different from oneself operating within the system, and furthermore the idea can differ as to what is considered responsible for the system, as either dominating it from within or influencing it from outside of it.
Finally, people can also speculate about things that have nothing to do with this supposed system or our reality or the simulation we may be part of or considered responsible for.
These ideas tend to come off as silly yo many people, though others are impressed by such ideas, and it is interesting why or how it manages to do that to certain people.
Another element may be the claim of trying to access outside of the system or to manipulate it.
For the vast majority of people, whatever we are experiencing is all we know and have access to, so these other ideas seem fanciful or deluded and a waste of time if any worthwhile evidence can not emerge as yo how we can pragmatically and quickly start seeing our way to more preferable results for ourselves, like eradicating suffering for ourselves and then also others, instantly deleting threats and ehatever concerns us snd causes us stress or displeasure.
I have a whole list of things I'd really love to delete in an instant, and it annoys me to be blamed or called responsible for all the things in reality or even my own life and personal health which encumber me, I really want to beat the living daylights out of people who just throw out things like "if you're blind, just see!", like a joke song I put up on this site somewhere. Snooty people who seem to like to present themselves as having everything and no troubles tend to like and promote ideas like these, as well as those faking it until they make it, and people in completely opposite situations who somehow insist that if they just think hard enough they will somehow magically get out of their problems, but they never seem to. It all also reminds me of the missing steps in South Park's gnomes' "pants=money" plan.
One of the ideas might suggest that we have opted at some point to enter into a simulation that may be presenting an extra lengthy impression of a short amount of time in our more "real" experience, where we signed up to enter into this simulation, potentially repeatedly, with some suggesting possibly that it was sold to us as a form of entertainment or experience tourism.