A thelemic view of consciousness

[atreestump]

Right, got you. Thanks.

[kFoyauextlH]

I just made up that term though but if you know of a better one or one in use already I could pick up that might help too.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyss_(Thelema)
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Can you all write about that concept and the various components mentioned in the article and what you think of it and them and personally?

[atreestump]

The only notion I coupd find for now is the phenomenological pre-reflective and reflective consciousness, but I think there may be better terms in Nietzsche, who deals with deeply unconscious, embodied, embedded drives, desires, values and beliefs. One consciousness is deliberative, the other reflexive.

[waechter418]

I try to distinct between personal Self-design and circumstantial Self-image. Latter is common, prior can bring about a Selfrealisation in form of a reflection-projection equation.


How can you tell what is indirectly 'you' and what is made by 'you'?


Selfrealisation in form of R/P equation could be called a loop which might manifest as the recognition: i reflect what i project=i project what i reflect (or) i am what i do=i do what i am

[Socrates]

The latter part points to performativity, a script we have incorporated and learned over time that we enact socially and mentally.

I see 'I' like an onion of layers, no matter how much I peel away, there's always something I have embodied.

[waechter418]

The latter part points to performativity, a script we have incorporated and learned over time that we enact socially and mentally.

I see 'I' like an onion of layers, no matter how much I peel away, there's always something I have embodied.


Self-design is practised in every R/P system (see: Buddha, Moses & Freud) and an option for him who is unable to realise himself in Dualism and has difficulties with the Selfrealisation envisioned & practised in the Orient.

¨I¨ serves as a coordinate of the psycho/somatic relativity. When used as a cover-term for (lack of) identity every attribution increase its complexity and confusions

[kFoyauextlH]

I like this I as coordinate idea, can you discuss what the spacial field or plane in which this coordinate would be given context or relevance is, I am looking for a complete cosmology in simple terms.

Most people believe that the I is a body or inside a body used as a vehicle within 3d space.

The I as a coordinate seems to imply exclusive boundaries on a plane or fields that is vaster than the coordinate.

[Socrates]

To me, "I" is like a placeholder of sorts, kind of like zero.

[kFoyauextlH]

Haha that is very good on so many levels, I like the ideas, I think it deserves some lengthier clear cut reasoning. I asked for ideas regarding it on Lunatic Outpost as FreedomStands and several related things but nothing much seemed impressive from people. In my view I am just a front or a puppet for uncontrollable power.

[waechter418]

The latter part points to performativity, a script we have incorporated and learned over time that we enact socially and mentally.

I see 'I' like an onion of layers, no matter how much I peel away, there's always something I have embodied.


How about I being the onion and the peeler  ;)