Discipline and Punish | Someone has got to do it!

[atreestump]

Don't be fooled by the title of this thread, I hate the performative actions of discipline and punishment from the state. What is of interest however, given the recent Trump exiling of illegal migrants, is that there is a difference between saying 'I am against immigration, something ought to be done', which is a performative statement (a statement that does something) and how we deal with immigration.

Sending migrants back to their countries always leads to lots of heart break, it can be problematic for the economy too. The main phenomena that is of interest here, is how some are beginning to regret endorsing Trump to perform these actions.

It reminds me of Michel Foucault's Discipline and Punish and his genealogy of capital punishment. Capital Punishment was not stopped in France because of how inhumane it was on behalf of the criminals, but rather, the jury sympathised with the executioner, executioners often suffered from post-traumatic stress due to their grueling duties and this is what is happening now that people can see where their performative utterances are leading to.

Following quotes from: http://www.iep.utm.edu/emp-symp/#SH4b



That was what the so-called special intervention groups [Einsatzgruppen] had to do. In addition, it is difficult to watch people suffering over so long a period of time, especially if you have insufficient bullets to shoot or gas them all immediately. This is a challenge for any approach to genocide, even after the intended victims have been marked with a yellow star or otherwise “branded,” equated with vermin, insects, and dehumanized. On the street, people still look like humans when we confront them face-to-face or even face-to-back.

The misuse of the Nazi concept of duty, which only superficially resembles a deontological one, has been often noted. It occurs again here and should never be mentioned without being challenged. Briefly, the fallacy consists in making an exception for a subset of humans, thus contradicting one’s own humanness. Even formally, the good Nazi morally contradicts himself – a consistency in shooting only one or a few types of persons (in addition to Jews - gypsies, communists, Catholic converts, gays, mentally retarded, physically disabled – the list grows tellingly) – is inconsistency pure-and-simple.


This is a form of what I call inverted empathy where duty comes before conscience.



Thus, the supposedly empathic Nazi spends the day shooting the helpless enemies of the Aryan race and feels a full measure of suffering (of the victims), because his mirror neurons are working normally; but instead of saying “Look how they suffer” says “Look how hard my work is – look how much I suffer.”

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The whole system is full of sadists who specifically wanted to find careers to act out their violent and life altering power fantasies. Sadists are all over the world now, doing harm everywhere, because their repercussions are so minimal and no one even tried to do much about them, so they switch frome one way in which to express their sadism to others, but they never stop, and live long lives destroying the lives of others every chance they can. It would only be fair that criminals who have hijacked the system and actas authorities who are completely corrupt, prejudicial, biased, and otherwise untrustworthy and even vile and totally malicious and malignant in the system and in any expression be cut off from further tainting everything with their most foul miasma but they are allowed to fester instead, so the body of the people and the politik, the culture and the institutions are all filled with disease and failing organs and instruments. The penalties need to be so severe that the risk would be tremendous, and the penalties need to be treated like the worst sort of treason which should meet a dreadful end. None of these so-called democracies care in the slightest about the people in general who they are named after, or else those who betray the public trust would be rightfully treated like some performing sacrelige:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparagmos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Death

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The title of the book refers to the gradual disintegration of the character's body as it falls prey to the surrounding inimical natural elements. The contradistinction between first and second death in the Apocalypse of St. John the Divine,[5] is used to allude to the gradual decomposition of the body as a state of a reduction of its life-force and in view of its ensuing annihilation.[6][7][8][9] Insofar as the first death does not bring about a complete mental disintegration it is not considered as "real death",.[10] In a spiritual sense, the protagonist of the book subsists in a "hellish" kind of existence, presumably awaiting the occurrence of future redemption or definitive extinction. The title also refers to the occurrence of the first death in the context of the biblical history of the human race, namely the murder of Abel by his brother Cain.[11]
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The First Death, recounts the result of its protagonist's voyaging towards annihilation. His body and mind are on the verge of dissolution while fighting for continuance and survival. Portrayed as a victim of nature and presumably expelled by society, he is represented both as a castaway and an abortion, dying before he has ever achieved birth.[3] The work describes his purgatorial-like torture, mapping a desert and rocky island as the locus of his suffering. His exclusion and solitude allude to Greek Tragedy, most importantly Philoctetes, while images of mutilation and dismemberment relate to ancient Greek sacrifices and rituals. The myth of the dismemberment of Dionysus by the Titans is also hinted at as the text resorts to the concept of sparagmos (Ancient Greek: σπαραγμός,[15]: Section XII, line 7  from σπαράσσω sparasso, "tear, rend, pull to pieces"), an act of rending, tearing apart, or mangling,[16]: 186  Other oblique classical references are equally embedded in the text, such as the presence of Orpheus, also suggested by images of dismemberment.[2] In its role as the epilogue of the Poena Damni trilogy the poem also witnesses the aftermath of the impending violence of the first volume, Z213: Exit.[12]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_ ... ted_States



"Unacceptable" to deal with things naturally.

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This stuff gives me the creeps and major palpatations.

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This video features a police officer named Polize.

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