Garrett's response to 1janitor
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCC97yf7dys
I am not particularly interested in the first section of this video, apart from the part about how the blaming of Islam and Muslims for terrorism by Islamophobes is overly reductive and excludes historical context, for example, there have been more IRA Catholic bombings and terror incidents confirmed in the UK than ones pertaining to Islamic terrorism, but most importantly, they assert that it's only about the teachings of the Quran itself that causes such problems. Garrett points out various coup de tats in Syria and Iran to name two examples where secularism and western-inspired democracy was interrupted due to western intervention as opposed to Islamic terrorism and ideology.
The main part of the video that interests me, is the definition of feminism. Many will go to Google and find the 'fight for the equality of the sexes of genders', which Garrett, in my opinion, rightly rejects this definition as over simplistic. It ignores proto-feminist individuals and groups in various cultures throughout history across the whole world, it wasn't until recently that feminism united as a movement and the first wave was primarily about suffrage. The second wave was about changing attitudes of the private sector towards women. He makes a good point about how if gender equality was achieved, there would still be feminism. Feminism may advocate rights, but it is not the central subject of feminism. It has a cultural critique, a literary tradition, a commentary on art and has made an impact on philosophy too.
Where I will disagree with Garrett in this video however, is the part where he challenges political correctness, which has become one of the main criticisms of feminism by those who oppose it. It's not that Garrett is challenging political correctness, I agree with him that it is a non-existent problem, or at the very most, an insignificant problem where I disagree with him. It's when he says 'how can feminists enforce if they have no laws', which is to say, how can feminists enforce things like censorship when they don't have the law behind them to do so at their command. While I agree with him on the point that this is a non-issue, I disagree that groups in society need laws to enforce what they believe to be true.
Norms can be just as powerful and forceful as laws, they are the unwritten and unofficial rules that are enforced by any member of society who is part of a group that holds certain beliefs and values to be right or wrong and they don't need a law and force that enforces those laws to impose sanctions and rewards - norms can do that just as effectively, if not more effectively than laws themselves.
Just to be clear - I am not saying that feminists are using norms to enforce political correctness in the form of censorship, I am opposing his claim that a group or individual needs laws to enforce their beliefs, values and desires.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say in regards to this video.
I am not particularly interested in the first section of this video, apart from the part about how the blaming of Islam and Muslims for terrorism by Islamophobes is overly reductive and excludes historical context, for example, there have been more IRA Catholic bombings and terror incidents confirmed in the UK than ones pertaining to Islamic terrorism, but most importantly, they assert that it's only about the teachings of the Quran itself that causes such problems. Garrett points out various coup de tats in Syria and Iran to name two examples where secularism and western-inspired democracy was interrupted due to western intervention as opposed to Islamic terrorism and ideology.
The main part of the video that interests me, is the definition of feminism. Many will go to Google and find the 'fight for the equality of the sexes of genders', which Garrett, in my opinion, rightly rejects this definition as over simplistic. It ignores proto-feminist individuals and groups in various cultures throughout history across the whole world, it wasn't until recently that feminism united as a movement and the first wave was primarily about suffrage. The second wave was about changing attitudes of the private sector towards women. He makes a good point about how if gender equality was achieved, there would still be feminism. Feminism may advocate rights, but it is not the central subject of feminism. It has a cultural critique, a literary tradition, a commentary on art and has made an impact on philosophy too.
Where I will disagree with Garrett in this video however, is the part where he challenges political correctness, which has become one of the main criticisms of feminism by those who oppose it. It's not that Garrett is challenging political correctness, I agree with him that it is a non-existent problem, or at the very most, an insignificant problem where I disagree with him. It's when he says 'how can feminists enforce if they have no laws', which is to say, how can feminists enforce things like censorship when they don't have the law behind them to do so at their command. While I agree with him on the point that this is a non-issue, I disagree that groups in society need laws to enforce what they believe to be true.
Norms can be just as powerful and forceful as laws, they are the unwritten and unofficial rules that are enforced by any member of society who is part of a group that holds certain beliefs and values to be right or wrong and they don't need a law and force that enforces those laws to impose sanctions and rewards - norms can do that just as effectively, if not more effectively than laws themselves.
Just to be clear - I am not saying that feminists are using norms to enforce political correctness in the form of censorship, I am opposing his claim that a group or individual needs laws to enforce their beliefs, values and desires.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say in regards to this video.