The moment of awakening

[Socrates]

To reach truth is not to accumulate knowledge, but to awaken to the heart of reality. Reality reveals itself complete and whole at the moment of awakening. Nothing is added, or lost.

[kFoyauextlH]

Tell me more on this please if possible! I'd love to see it discussed at length and how to approach and achieve this!

[Socrates]

This is to say that what we describe as our experience of an object as a subject, you are no longer 'in' it; others can re-create certain sensations based on experiences they might have had, but that is all.

No distinction between subject and object, no evaluation, no discrimination was there, it was non-discriminative wisdom - which introduces us to the heart of reality.

[kFoyauextlH]

"More please" - Oliver Twist

[Arkilogos]

Something I've retained that you remind me of...

"There are three steps between man and God: The first is belief, it is what a man thinks perhaps is true. The second is faith, it is what a man knows to be true and in this belief is lost. The third step is fruition, it is man and truth as one. So that there is no longer a man or the truth but a fluency of life unto life and in this even faith is lost. "

[kFoyauextlH]

Very interesting and beautiful! I wouldn't mind more on that!

[waechter418]

Don't seek from others,
Or you'll be estranged from yourself.
I now go on alone -
Everywhere I encounter It.
It now is me, I now am not It.
One must understand in this way
To merge with being as is.

In my daily life there are no other chores than
Those that happen to fall into my hands.
Nothing I choose, nothing reject.
Nowhere is there ado, nowhere a slip.
I have no other emblems of my glory than
The mountains and hills without a spot of dust.
My magical power and spiritual exercise consists in
Carrying water and gathering firewood.        


Before I had studied Zen, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.  



from "Zen Sayings & Poems"

[Socrates]

That's why you are winning MOTM so far!

[Intellectus]

To reach truth is not to accumulate knowledge, but to awaken to the heart of reality. Reality reveals itself complete and whole at the moment of awakening. Nothing is added, or lost.


Great post. I often try to retrace the moment of my true awakening to reality and struggle to find a way to do the same for others. I believe to "...awaken to the heart of reality," is the beginning of choosing self-knowledge over ignorance. I also believe everything struggles to find balance and when people find the perfect balance of bliss/sorrow, this is the "moment of awakening." Like how life is created.

Through my struggle to help others "awake" I found that one needs to transfer complete understanding of reality and it needs to be genuinely expressed/received. Something like genuine trust between mentor to disciple to reshape beliefs, motivators, needs, emotions, models, beliefs, preferences, and goals.

It's the beginning to no end as the pursuit of self-knowledge is never ending.

A curse and a blessing to freely decipher our perceptions of the metaphysical world to the physical world.

A perfect contradiction of sorts.

[kFoyauextlH]

So, I've been thinking about how to approach more conversational type posts or those that might get engagement while people aren't seemingly around as much these days, and it has sent me into a lot of introspection, about a lot of things, like even what I've ever been doing in any of my interactions over the years, online especially, how they functioned, and how people of various ages acted and changed with age also, and how big the various gaps were and how easily everyone can also give up, at least for a long time, on communication, and then may whimsically feel like it again, and what I've enjoyed and haven't enjoyed.

I'm not entirely sure this concept of awakening even fully computes with me.

I am so similar now with my wanting to encourage communication, but at the same time I wonder what I ever was even doing by asking for that, or trying now, even if I imagined that people were around to see it or would be.

There was this one person online a long time ago, maybe over 20 years ago now or more, and they were going to pretend to be God or were saying that a portal was opened and they were channeling God and so would be speaking as God, so if I wanted to say anything or ask anything of God. I didn't take that too seriously, but I still did take the opportunity to think to myself what I would ever want to say or ask God or anything supposedly wise or omniscient, and I didn't want to ask anything and I had nothing to say lol. I guess that still may be the case.

Yet I've held intimate and in-depth interactions and communications eith possibly more people than most do at such levels, but why, and what have I been doing this whole time?

What could I possibly want and how could I ever even hope to get whatever that may be?

After years of increasing reduced levels of interaction with anyone, I'm losing a lot of hope in several ways and becoming disoriented even, which needs to get back to the basics of what anyone thinks may be going on in life or reality.

This song often makes me think of reality, and this other song by the same people makes me think of the mystical reality of a different aspect of reality, motion and idealization and desire, but not necessarily s*xual desire, but wanting something out of some kind of connection or association with others, even if they aren't real or alive.