IndieAgora

There are various strategies to eliminate homosexuality or perceived abberations in human behavior which curiously exist even within the efforts of self-proclaimed homosexuals even as a majority with efforts such as "acceptance" being a similar elimination strategy to "changing".

​I made this thread to discuss natural homophobic tendencies within all or most people including those who self-identify as queer in some way.

Also to request or suggest a Psychology section may be added to the forum if it doesn't already exist if this topic would be more appropriate there.

The focus of this thread is on the Death Drive or desire to equalize and neutralize and level peaks and mountains and abberations which seems to be an in-built tendency in humans and animals in dealing with a variety of things including themselves and others.

Furthermore, an examination of personal strategies we may use basedon this tendency towards leveling or destroying or reversing emerging structural changes.

Many would quickly deny any such tendencies in themselves and even offer various proofs against it, which could ironically be said to be the same drive at work, which may itself be a mechanism for threat reduction and survival which can sometimes also be detrimental or counter productively inefficient depending on the proclaimed objectives or ideals.

​I made this thread to discuss natural homophobic tendencies within all or most people including those who self-identify as queer in some way.


I'm not sure it is natural, as it's a tendency/preference I see it as something that evolved in culture. To be clear, I am not saying 'not natural therefore bad', just that queer sexuality for one thing, is a state that does not fall into the binary roles culture has formed.

Good points. What I was referring to as natural was the death drive in people, a tendency to want to normalize or level peaks or abberations, which then finds one extra form in a homophobic version which is shared by both homosexuals and non-homosexuals alike, whether they want to eliminate homosexuals or neutralize the issue through acceptance or tolerance or normalization, both efforts reflecting this same leveling tendency which seems innate in humans and animals to detect anomalies and resolve them somehow.

All I know up to this point is that the death drive is the only drive for Lacan and is associated with the Real and Jouissance, but it also governs the Symbolic.

Also, in Man and Superman or whatever the name of that play, they use the term Death Drive as well in the dialogue by the Devil. In the sense that I am using it, it means a drive to level or create equilibrium and eliminate all existence ultimately even though it starts out as a call for peace against anything causing distress. Wanting to be unnoticed or "accepted" is also a form of the Death Drive in this sense.

There are various strategies to eliminate homosexuality or perceived abberations in human behavior which curiously exist even within the efforts of self-proclaimed homosexuals even as a majority with efforts such as "acceptance" being a similar elimination strategy to "changing"


Can you paraphrase this, I am not sure I am following you?

Are you saying society only accepts in order to change homosexuality? I don't think acceptance is the first strategy, toleration comes first which then leads to apathy, a disinterest.

Oh no, I am only talking about a desire to be eliminated as a category existing for both the anti-homosexual and the homosexual in many cases even if not overtly acknowledged.
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Also this drive applies to much more than homosexuality. It can be connected to the pausing or canceling women thread too.

I see, well I have a lot to read on psychoanalysis yet, so it's food for thought for me at the moment but if other members have any insights here, please feel free to put them here.

Yeah, please!