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Quotes that may help:

" I don't know if I have read that book but I've pretty thoroughly studied the whole issue and can provide you with a great deal of information which is all backed up and well documented but not the sort of thing most vampire fans might have read since they are mostly inspired by m the latest trends and ideas rather than the historical study of how those ideas came about. Finally the bottom line is that what you are seeking regarding the vampire is not every aspect of it, but in each investigation there is likely the element or desire to be, and to be fulfilled by the feeling of officially accepting oneself as whatever, validation. This is when people are put under the heaviest pressure because one is practically never validated or confirmed in anything, and so are left with and to their own confidence, which either forces people to pretend or to abandon and sometimes to wholly abandon it in others as well, becoming a new generation of the invalidators who had presently harmed the desiring ones ambitions before.

There are also implications involved with modern vampire ideas that imply systems and a cosmology which may both lack reality or presence and also be detrimental.

All that revolves around sucking. Sucking in any way at all implies more than just sucking, it implies a whole system where sucking actually means something and does something and most vampires or people who call themselves that or are called that, the whole thing is involved with sucking, which is really only a very recent idea and had nothing to do with the older ideas at all. Thus, modern vampire materials really do suck, and what they suck is the possibility of a vessel for a good idea ( it can be useful to take the things I say in multiple ways and dimensions, numerous meanings but only the true meanings which are many ).

I have found the online community really terrible. Finding someone like me is in my view a literal miracle, and it genuinely means to me you must be both lucky and earnest and favored in your quest but also being put under a test. Will you be satisfied or not and why not?

Now that you know that a vampire doesn't need to suck, shouldn't need to suck, and sucks if they suck, what was the concept originally, what is your attraction to it trying to say to you or bring you to, and what will finally satisfy you and give you the validation you are pursuing?

Firstly, right now, you are in many ways a vampire, a demon, and all the things you are desiring and being driven towards, and each of these can be explained as to how, and each of these can be terms referring toba variety of things or one and the same thing, and you can throw in vampire, shadow, ninja, assassin, witch, warlock, evil spirit, and whatever else as well, each of those attractions generally can be said to stem from the same overall desires and ideas that one is seeking to manifest through and express as themselves authentically and satisfactorily.

Simply saying "you are" doesn't quite cut it, especially when one doesn't know how they are or might be, or even really know why they might even want to be at all or what is happening or what is leading to it.

As for satisfaction, what will satisfy? If it is an image in mind, the aesthetic can likely be attained rather easily, if it is a philosophy or a history, all can be provided, even the ones who suck and are obsessed with that aspect or fetishize it find validation in their ingesting of blood which is just silliness or for the less willing, their imagining of energy and theft of it which is likewise imaginary, perhaps having some psychological benefits but overall carrying over a damaging philosophy and weakness of ideas."
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" I have been posting and all these posts, old as well as the latest are extremely relevant and have everything to do with this subject and what you are looking for but you should read it slowly and carefully and with great care.

I agree that you are being called through these desires and you have navigated well thus far. The next gateway relates to control and release, struggle and passivity. As a side area of interest and study you can read about the Draugr on wikipedia and the Siddhis and synthesize the two. There is also an article which may be of interest which you can find through google called Heretic as Vampire in Russia. In order to get more out of that article you can also read about the word Apotheosis and in particular related to the Orthodox Church and Greek traditions including Greek Mythology and the origins of that word, if you take those side quests then tie in all that material with all my posts on this particular website which you can study and read in any order but try to understand and really study what is being said in each post I've made.

You can ask me questions or for clarification throughout and in your Artis thread can document these messages and emails and your journey and what you read and how you understand it as a journal practice and can include your personal thoughts and feelings.

Once you have done all these things I will see how it has been processed and go from there. "
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" All, any order, the side articles I mentioned will likely help, and anything that looks accidental or especially weird is there on purpose, and take your time with it all it is multi layered stuff in every way, the sentences, the context, everything, all links, the lyrics in selected songs, what you will be doing by pursuing it in this way is developing patience, stamina, and expanding your mental processing capacity by viewing things in multiple ways and filling the most simple seeming rhings with huge amounts of complex meaning and all this will if done correctly really be like a major mind boost in a huge way. I have condensed all this for people like me and you to use as a tool for rapid expansion, its far less reading or work than I've had to do to collect it and condense it and its all coming from a very spiritual place overall, its very direct communication to you or is to be taken that way so take it with great attention and care and steadily. I will be available to you if I can be and there is no rush, you are already way ahead of the game. "
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" Haha, you will get to it all very fast but its going to take carefully reading the stuff I have poated throughout this forum systematically 

Your concern is with transformation and achieving manifestation in reality, the things I mentioned are the various ways or paths it can be achieved as.

Every single thing, even the oddest seeming or confusing elements are posted deliberately and are related overall, especially towards developing the appropriate framework and conception.

You can't be expected to read all that material or grow a plant in a day though if that is overwhelming for you. In pacing yourself, you will be able to be sure you have tried your best and not missed much, the way you were able to successfully understand the collection of obscure materials I indicated, using the same careful study, these things really aren't that weird or difficult once one understands what I am using them to say. "

I needed all of this in one place now the works begins

Fantastic, it helps me out as well to have things consolidated like this, I have "chunked" things deliberately, if things appear all together in sets it is also deliberate.

@"Rubsy" said she will be doing a thread about vitalism and how its language has been used within topics like this and many others, all the way to standard politics.

Vampire is a term used for greedy landlords.

That is very true, Gothic terminology like Vampire and then Blood Sucker has been used in political discourse regularly by many major authors. In the notes above, which can be applied to political theories, it deals with conceptualizing and satisfying conceptual desires or requirements.

You can post that pdf file here if you want to, this forum supports file posting I think.

I read it. I believe anything can work or appear to work or any sort of experience can be given to people but that approach is not a totally solid or logic based one, it deals with basically being ultimately deceived into some particular system and repeatedly claims or threatens consequences and offers no real proof or assurances, of anything or validation or even justifications.

I liked some of the ideas in it but the rituals and ideas presented in it appeared to me to be typical of the sorts of people in the modern Witchy and Occult communities who are to me infuriating with their uneducated opinions and spreading of misinformation.

The individual who wrote the document may not be lying for money, but says several strangely contradicting things, uses lots of pseudo-scientific jargon, offers no evidence for anything including any of the ideas or descriptions of how these evocations appear (probably because of being shy of seeming silly or accused of just hallucination and confirmation bias), or any explanation for the superstitious rituals and the ideas in them.

With all that being said, I believe in people who testify to their prayers being answered or strange experiences in their lives but the things he said were pretty limiting and he provided no solid approaches or references to anything that has been clearly established. His talking about energy, third eyes, astral realms and bodies are all without clarification or proof and simply expected to be believed or existing but not to be considered imagination in every case. His overall cowardice is also of concern. He can easily provide photographs or video and claim they are fake if he fears survival but he instead excuses himself from anything solid or solid steps dealing with solid things.
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That is not to say you wouldn't potentially experience some miraculous things using his or any other system, but the things I recvomend and write about are essentially different and do not talk about what is supposedly real, but what is real and how to make or work towards what you want and the various ways things are considered real by most people.
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Also I was annoyed by his statements regarding Sargon of Akkad and the Akkadian Empire and talk of "Mobloch" and that "Mobloch was considered bad and his priests killed him" or whatever. Moloch is Malak, an epithet for God, and a normal reference and there is apparently no record of any such killing by priests over such a thing when it was perfectly fine to worship such things in the Akkadian religion which the Jews in the Bible had brought into disrepute. The Akkadian Empire was a successful Empire while it lasted before a suggested event of climate change led to their losing some control. They were taken on by other Semitic Language Speaking Empires and People until the Persian Empire and then the Semitic speaking Arab Empire.

The document uses lots of typical Jewish Angelology terminology and was just a hodge podge of modern Occult ideas that are in popular use which are likewise often uses stupidly and falsely and which I also deeply resent and hate.
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Even so, I am very glad to have been sent the document and to have read what I did of it, and to have it in my collection of documents on my phone.

" Yeah, I felt the same way, I liked some of the ideas even though they seem largely from a comic book called The Darkness, and his bravado and confidence about it even though he shows no evidence which would be simple to show and deny. Besides all that, he is stuck in a very specific and narrow minded mindset. When I write about 6 forms of manifestation, those are literal things I am discussing which don't require any discussions going into weird stuff even. Literally it has to do with just thinking what are the various ways a person can satisfy an experience. If one reads old accounts of these things though, even when the accounts are trying to be spooky, it appears the people are just falling into some of the 6 categories and nothing like what this guy is describing was ever even mentioned by anyone. Those old accounts and testimobies I believe have much truth in them regarding the phenomenon that was experienced by the werewolves and the witnesses, which was even in old superstitious accounts falling in some of the 6 categories, mainly category 4 and 5 and possibly 3 thrown in from the perspective of the werewolf. 5 would be something like equipment, which was typically a girdle, and they would smear a hallucinagenic substance as well it is supposed which was mixed with ash or charcoal or something for faster absorption of the mixture into the skin, they would also appear scary and camouflaged looking and in other cases they may have worn elements and costumes and adjustments like that which all count as technological adaptions.

Even his whole "Shadow" business from The Darkness comic book would basically count as a category 5 or 6 basically.

​​​​The rituals involved can be tested, and for many people these supposedly work, likely due to a propensity for hallucination or in other words a joke being played on them one way or another since the framework it is based on is basically unfounded, false, and even offensive to a person educated in these things and their meanings. Even though I say all that, I have interrogated and questioned numerous people with a variety of odd experiences, and have had weird experiences myself, so it appears that even the silliest sort of experiences or methods are possible but their belief in how they came about is where they may be getting a bit deluded or tricked into believing in a system which doesn't really exist consistently or at all. Furthermore, he was vague and didn't really provide detail about how exactly he witnessed whatever he witnessed concerning evocation, as most modern Occultists and Witches also do, because of being shy about it being recognized or accused as something in the imagination, unable to record it or see it, though insisted upon as true, and again it is true but their shyness and exaggerations are the problem, they secretly believe that things they imagine will be seen as invalid and called invalid and likewise they likely harbor the same belief as well. Their solution has traditionally been to speak half-heartedly about "many paths" and everyone being valid and imagining their own things while not really believing that, yet they are unlikely to question in their hearts the boiling temperature of water or things they view as "actually real". When I read the writings of Occultists and Witches and many others, sometimes even Ancient writings carrying the ideas and words of what seem to be the same sorts of people and thinking, the silliness and dishonesty rubs me the wrong way.

The sole Power can bring about any transformation of experience and does so anyway in every case, any system it can make appear to one or even all as valid and wholly believed counter to any current logic, and those names he took as a variety are only names for the same One, any "Mobloch" is always ultimately The One Power controlling and manipulating it even if it is a human being standing there calling themselves "Mobloch" which is annoying because of the b in the middle there unecessarily transforming the name "Moloch" just to let us know he likes to be different and some other things.

A whole delusion can be set over people, complete with detailed explanations, but all these are, like the boiling temperature of water, just what is being imposed upon our experience this moment. Figuring out what you really want and appealing to God one way or another for it, is an age old practice, and this is what all that he wrote basically points to or amounts to with lots of effort and distraction and confusion thrown in.

Yet, we currently don't doubt a few things which we feel in control of and which are al considered "real" today, and others who are part of our experience also tend to agree:

That they can adjust or control how they think about things 1. Cognitive, Psychological, Philosophical Transformation

That they can easily and fluidly adjust and control their imagination and imaginary simulated mental space or experiences in their active imagination 2. The Mental or Imaginary Space

That they can mix the mental and visible or physical experience in order to actively superimpose or coordinate mental activities and imagined things with what is considered more "real" like imagining claws on top of your hands or a tentacles coming out of you, that is mixing the mental imagery with the physical reality you are standing in, it is a transformation of active experience, experience is all you are ever dealing with. 3. The Superimposed (Ghost)

Now for the realm most people consider the "really real" or "legitimate" reality, which is just how you look and what you see, the physical objects and your physical body. If people do exercises their bodies change or if they modify themselves via surgery or whatever it can all be seen by everyone who claims to see and has nothing to do with the other 3.
4. The Physical and Basic Environment. (Mundane, Man)

The next area is putting things upon yourself or in yourself which were formerly external or not typically considered originally a part of you, clothes, costumes, weapons, machinery, piercings, tattoos, all of these can be considered technological adaptions from the simplest to the most complex. One can using technologies completely physically transform their appearance and experience. You pick up and adopt and transform through technologies, machineries, craft and artifice. Many people hold this as "real but not as real as the organic or natural". 5. The Technological Path (Asura, acquiring gain, thus associated with greed)

Finally, the transformation considered "the most real" which is just a strange prejudice people seem to have, is the change of Nature, through things like genetic manipulation, biology, viruses, or other means whereby the experience and the self-associated form is changed via growth, internal shifts, whatever, making them a born monster or changed mutant via mutation and mutagenic experiences applied to them and their bodies but not via surgeries or exercises which transform the base physical (number 3 which would include trans-sexual surgeries for example) but not the genetic necessarily which would be this. This is where a person is bodily and wholly naturally and genetically is transformed organically and biologically, and is also within the realm of possibility and may become a designer norm predicted for the future, with people changing genes for fashion concerns and aesthetic reasons. 6. The Natural (Daeva)"

hi there, you asked me to reply here and i want to, but for me theres to much text, my mind cant handle it so i see wordsalad and cant understand what you wrote.

i can take something from the title though:
for me i tried to bring vampirism into being and indeed it isnt possible to live with. it can be used as state of being for an action in a 'realm', but other then that i couldnt. i transformed into shaman and that made it possible for me to leave that realm, but it also creates very schizophrenic visions. like one is walking in a bubble and the view of the world is totally different then 'normal' people are used to. the beauty of it is though that that bubble is kinda like a car who brings you to an other realm. so i sat the crazyness out and now i feel better. not sure how i will feel tomorrow though ;)

Very cool! I don't think you are alone in finding my writing to be word salad, actually the majority might agree. The post I was directing you to was the latest here so maybe one above yours about 6 forms of manifestation, I have a really cool upcoming thread possibly about the gates of hell figured out from Al-Fatihah that you may enjoy as well.