IndieAgora

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jineology

'A country isn't free unless its women are free' - great stuff, but why do we have to have countries too?

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Jineology is described as the "creation of a women's paradigm" by the freedom struggle of Kurdish women. This represents a new phase from the perspective of the Kurdish women's movement. The Kurdish women's movement emerged and developed within the Kurdish national liberation struggle. From 1987 on, it began with specific and autonomous women's organization works. After this development, many important changes and transformations occurred in Kurdistan, which have also determined the societal struggle. On one hand, the Kurdish women's movement advanced its specific and autonomous organization internally, but on the other hand it transmitted and thus shared its findings with all areas of the societal struggle. The people's uprisings against the colonization of Kurdistan (in Kurdish: "Serhildan"), which started after 1989, were led by women. From the viewpoint of Kurdish society, this was the beginning of a national resistance phase with a new women-focused character. In this sense, the women's movement advanced its theoretical and practical work in fields such as intellect, politics, society, culture, and self-defense. The following key stages were: 1993 - formation of the women's army, 1996 - theory and practice for the emancipation from the patriarchal system, after 1998 - women's liberation ideology, 1999 - party formation, from 2000 on - construction of a democratic social system within the framework of a democratic, ecological, and gender-egalitarian societal paradigm. The creation of women's councils, academies, and cooperatives were achieved in this context. Under the motto "Women's liberation is the liberation of society", the women's movement focused on ideological, philosophical, and intellectual work . Within the frame of the unity between theory and practice, it worked towards a transformation of the thinking of women and society, as well as towards an increased consciousness. It was looking for answers to questions such as "Who is the woman? Where does she come from? Where does she go? How has she lived until today? How should women live? What kind of society?" and developed a critique of the prevailing scientific field.

This feminist ideology / way of life is actually flourishing in the stateless north of Syria

Looks too much like the I*F for my liking.

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In 2020, the United Nations reported that the YPG/YPJ had the most child soldier recruits of any faction in the Syrian civil war, with 283 child soldiers followed by Tahrir al-Sham with 245 child soldiers.[55] This comes despite a 2014 agreement made with the human rights group Geneva Call promising an end to recruitment of soldiers under the age of 18.[56][57][58] Since the agreement, the YPJ has actually recruited more children into their ranks.[59]

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2014, included in the Women of the year by CNN[60][17]
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These Z freaks want to make the other half of the population into legitimate military targets, to make g*n*c*d* all the easier if it ever came down to it, rather than a portion of the population being non combatants who preserve all the things to be preserved, there is a logic to not having a portion of a population fighting. People praising militarism makes me want to puke in general.

The I*F has made so much of their population totally rabid gun-toting power tripping freaks, given their already psychopathic people, men, women, and even children, culturally brainwashed, an excuse and encouragement to t*rrorize and bully others around, and this kind of sickness they want to spread everywhere they can, especially groups they might be working with, particularly if their very obvious propaganda mouthpiece of CNN is praising these people for putting their entire people in harm's way and discouraging motherhood and caring for children and running off into sh**ting and getting sho* at, and if they die, then that is another potential mother gone for a population fearing extinction. It seems like a bad strategy in the circumstances, though of course people should be prepared to defend themselves, but to put people at risk and advertise their being combatants and potential targets seems like a bad idea overall.

The I*F colonial army still whines and cries as if their little men toting advanced weaponry should not be considered legitimate threats and targets when they are as vile as their male counterparts, and the totally defenseless and unarmed women and children of G*z* are treated the way they are by these Nasz women and then they make Tik Tok videos saying how pretty they are toting guns and mocking the people they are destroying with videos laughing, pretending to be the people of G*z*, particularly the women and children, and showing them missing teeth and crying. All those people making those videos probably even had to join the I*F and are likely even active members. They want the same filth culture of pure evilness from their closest genetic relatives for their scant "Middle Eastern" genetic component, which are the Kurds, who seem to also have a problem sometimes with being crazy and producing crazies, possibly due to very closely keeping their gene pool very closed and limited.

I've been thinking about how a lot of this mass colonization stuff seems to actually be sort of new in history for the most part, even though some examples may appear, this seems a whole lot more abrupt and forced, and really not right or fair to groups who have been residing in places for a long while now, for people to just come along and start acting like those people are nobody and nothing and taking whatever, it is totally annoying everywhere it seems to occur, and anyone would despise such a thing if it ever occurred to them or their own people.

These Europeans and people from elsewhere have been insisting on calling themselves "indigenous", they might as well go and try to take over Africa again and say "this is our homeland too!"

Total sh*t behaviour, but then again I h*te all these systems and restrictions anyway, and the idea of people being locked in little regions for a long time, and now all these rules and restrictions that have been increasingly harsh which restrict freedom of travel and where may want to live and invest, and then other people totally flooding places simply because they are invited in, force themselves in, or have the means abd the support, while others of us are trapped in places due to I.D. stuff and where we were born abd income keeping us trapped.

Meanwhile people are cheering that people become trained m*rderers, because M*rderers Make Great Moms!

I hate jingoistic, violent societies, gun toting freaks, though I think that making it so that there is a huge imbalance with only the G*v*rnment wielding the devices of t*rror is the absolute worst idea, as there should never be any single group that has all the teeth and does all the chewing for the toothless masses, like they or anyone could ever be trusted. Even now all hope seems lost with how the people could be overrun by all the highly advanced militaries and their weapons and k*ller drones.

No one even seems to be promoted who is vehemently opposed to the nightmare imbalance that is constantly growing, instead they just want to make women easier targets and to celebrate that, it is all a sick trick by all the enemies of humanity and the enemies of the general populace everywhere.

What do you mean?

I edited in more. I'm suspicious of how great it really is for societies to look more like Z Iz, even though there are major differences, the support from creepy overtaken organizations promoting Z talking points all the time, like CNN, seems to make it all the more suspicious seeming to me. I don't like more and more people in a society being indoctrinated into nationalistic and jingoistic philosophies potentially and becoming militarized and combat oriented, since it seems that societies overtaken by such thinking really become deeply rotten, with everyone being a freakish bully and communicating through machismo, chauvinism, bullying, threats, whatever. Maybe these people are fine, but I don't know, what I've read and anecdotally experienced of Kurds and Kurdish culture hasn't been good, from the rudeness documented in the Yezidi stuff and the eugenics that seems to be part of it, to a lot of crazy behavior popping up with people who are Kurdish, plus being pretty disturbing about women already, and the misogyny seems to go way back into very ancient times with hateful myths that developed in the region too, some of the most unpleasant things for some reason targeting women, so then their promoting the use of women as expendable human weapons does not seem as laudable to me as these modern dumbasses and "pinkwashing" types want to mix it up to be, like it isn't the same to me as a person with less of that cultural baggage and evil intentions focused all around them learning self defense or doing what men do and equal rights, but seems a lot less like liberation and much more like exploitation, but some would even say a lot of the "Wests" liberation has just made a bunch more desperate and miserable sl*ves to "The Man".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man







https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/pa ... community/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... r_violence



https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9512000131

https://circassianworld.com/pdf/Satanaya_Cycle.pdf

https://cultureproject.org.uk/kurdish-l ... nd-sexism/

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What, though, are we take from the above? We should not overlook the fact that there are strong links between thought and language. Thus, we should be asking ourselves what kind of ideas language reinforces and perpetuates, and the implications this has on how we, as Kurds, should perceive and address our own language. Whether we want to believe it or not, the Kurdish language is unpardonably sexist. This manifests as a form of sexism and masculinity in Kurdish words, names, proverbs and curses. Whether we can change this is debatable, but starting the conversation is surely a good place to start, and it is something that we as Kurds must surely confront for the very sake of those who are most victimised as a result of our language – women.
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https://fluxirr.mcgill.ca/article/view/71/56

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This illusion of change may damage stateless women experiencing violent conflict as it serves to erase the actual reality
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... -kurdistan

https://journals.openedition.org/cedref/1111?lang=en

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This means a suspension of juridical order, ethical codes and everyday moral conduct, and use of technologies that address Kurdish women as a whole as dishonourable terrorists, upon whom sexual violence can be legitimately inflicted.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_women

It was a disturbing place and time to make these people even more in danger by arming them and having images of them promoted broadly making them out to be even more of a threat and a target to a bunch of people already really messed up in this regard specifically and being targeted by a whole bunch of people including their own ethnic group too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendercide

Women are men, should be treated the same, but for a number of reasons also be given certain protections.

Part of a pretty sh*tty and monstrous culture that seems to manifest at its worst with groups like Kurds if you read the crazy up and down stories like supposedly at one point having the rule that a women who simply visits a marketplace be k*lled? It is practically unheard of insanity to attack their own people like fools.

The women should be trained for themselves and their own sake, but the promotion to others making them further targets seemed a bad idea and using them in an expendable way when they are already being k*lled in every other way seemed especially not "liberating" in reality in these specific circumstances for this specific group.

It also doesn't help to emphasize the violence in already extremely messed up seeming culture from even before Islamic times according to regional myths and things where repeatedly women in particular or female figures are constantly maligned, maybe more than in any other place, and both that and very suddenly getting women into wielding weapons in public and the mentality involved would likely create drastic imbalances in the culture and society and through the responses from any parties interacting, within and without, I just find that the whole thing might not even care so much about these real human beings in a dire situation being made to feel defensive about a seemingly cross-eyed freak show of a culture stuck in the mountains for too long.

The Yezidi were even about killing females who would breed with non-Yezidi, a lot of it resembles extreme racism, tribalism, and even eugenics that the psycho Z seem to really be into too and Nasz and all evil groups through history, even the the West loves them for their ability to potentially destabilize areas for the West's r*pe of natural resources and for other contracts to rob the people in general.

Anecdotally, anyone I've met who has had interactions with Kurds of any s*x seems to report way extreme and shocking experiences of enough of such a tiny population overall being completely insane and literally unhinged in any setting, including in schools in the U.K. coming from apparently wealthy enough families and then being extremely nuts with women, or in the case of a girl I talked to, a female Kurd went on some mad killing spree among ordinary people she was living among, and I don't think being afflicted by war in some past could excuse this among pretty young people who seem to have been mainly unaffected by things, but instead I think it may be their culture and close genetic ties really heightening certain mental illnesses by not being allowed to mix out.



Jingoism and Ultra-Nationalism seem to repeatedly tie into prevalent abd epidemic scale r*pe culture and things like g*ng r*pes and all kinds of s*xist insanity, like among all modern villain groups like the Z culture in Iz which there are articles about, the H*nd*tv* nutjobs in *nd**, the crazies in Myanmar, in the Bible, among the Roman stories like supposedly against the Sabine people, all a bunch of freaks who first heighten themselves and dehumanize everyone else, then go on grotesque rampages, and then feel afraid about rightful defense and retribution, and become even more drastic. So when a group is seemingly being used as pawns by these forces, especially when they have major problems to deal with, it doesn't seem like it is truly worthy of celebration, but just more psycho chauvinistic machismo bullying insanity poisoning more parts of a people.

I dislike just about every group on the planet though, humans as groups seem to be disturbing and as individuals that I've personally met and kept in contact with, those particular humans have seemed fine enough.

There is no group though that I just adore and find no fault with, but some seem to come up with more issues when I keep looking into them than others that seem beyond just their enemies maligning them, but coming from their own sources supposedly, and sentiments, however those may have developed.

I also dislike groups trying to wipe out groups, including modern cosmopolitan groups that may try to force assimilations and wipe out history also, even if I think the history is sh*t as well! Like there have been so many attempts to persecute and oppress people with rich linguistic traditions and to make them lose everything in favor of some other crap from one or the other tribe or modern group. Whatever humans get up to, I tend to hate it.

Now the word in Kurd for a female is supposedly Jin, which would bring to mind the Jinn or Djinn to all the people around, but may also tie to words like the gyn in misogyny rather than the race of the Jinn.

The Kurds through their Yezidi thing have been tied to Satan, even supposedly by their own accounts and acceptance of such, and even if one goes earlier, their focus on the Peacock ties them to Ahriman anyway. Then going back further, if they have anything to do with things like the Nart Sagas, they would get tied to a figure called Satanaya.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Kurds

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanaya

https://circassianworld.com/pdf/Satanaya_Cycle.pdf

So that seems like a lot of weird Satan stuff.

Then they are supposedly most closely genetically linked to the J people, who likewise seem to be contrary to everyone around and a special group claiming to be selected in particular by an entity to be given special rules that seem to be designed to breed psychopathy among them and practice g*n*c*d* and rapacity against everyone else around, and there is even a section in the Bible where YHWH and Satan are both attributed to be inspiring the sentence, which some have used to claim that as an admission that their God is indeed Satan, as it seems to be anyway by what they are often commanded to do and have been doing against all humanity even according to their own accounts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

The ancient people, including the J people, seemed to think that every group of people had a presiding spirit, and in some versions the spirit was the hypostasis of the nation and the people group, a genius:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_god

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutelary_deity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_angel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_(mythology)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudigong

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_God_(China)

Every place seemed to be a God or have a God.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amurru_(god)

https://biblehub.com/daniel/10-13.htm

These also seemed to correspond to the stars, and so the "Prince Of Persia" was considered to be Dubhiel, which was Ursa Major, near the center of the sky, considered the location of the Throne that everything circles.

https://the-demonic-paradise.fandom.com/wiki/Dobiel

Persia was also the big Empire.

The Kurds by such standards would have their own representation for them as their trope tuteletary genius.



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A small point of clarification: Aššur the city is Aššur the god—not just the home of the deity.1 Your intuition is correct that deified cities and geographical features are more at home in northern Mesopotamia than in Babylonia proper. You have things like the deified Euphrates (d.Burnanun), Jebel Hamrin (d.Ebih), and Diyala (d.Durul), and these are attested in the north or occur later in the Old Akkadian and Old Babylonian periods. We can speculate why that is, and the reasons often given include the cultural enviroment of the north and the more dramatic geography in Upper Mesopotamia (al-Jazira)—contrasted with the flat south—that lends itself more easily to veneration.

Sources:

Lambert, W.G., “The God Aššur,” Iraq 45 (1983).



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Oh wow, that's really cool. I had no idea that there was this division in conceptualizing divinity in Mesopotamia. I remember Ebih from the "Inanna and Ebih" story, but I hadn't connected that figure to any wider trend of personification/deification of geography in the north. Brings to mind the widespread topos of the older generation of deities being less anthropomorphic and more like personifications of natural phenomena, although in this case the division seems more cultural and spatial than temporary. Very interesting!
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https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/13543 ... ontext.pdf

https://babylonian-collection.yale.edu/ ... 201998.pdf

https://sartrix.wordpress.com/trilingua ... -god-list/

https://ccp.yale.edu/P461274

https://ccp.yale.edu/P285539

https://uscholar.univie.ac.at/detail/o:1185961.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_mythology

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A legend recorded by J scholars claimed that the people of Corduene had supernatural origins, when King Solomon arranged the marriage of 500 women to jinns.[1][2][3][4][5] The same legend was also used by early Islamic authorities, in explaining the origins of the Kurds.[6][7][8]

In the writings of the 10th-century Arab historian al-Masudi, the Kurds are described as the offspring of King Solomon’s concubines engendered by the demon Jasad.[6] On learning who they were, Solomon shall have exclaimed "Drive them (ukrudūhunna) in the mountains and valleys" which then suggests a negative connotation such as the "thrown away".[6] Another version says that they are the descendants of King Solomon's concubines and his angelical servants. These were sent to Europe to bring him "five hundred beautiful maidens" for the king's harem. However, when these had done so and returned to Israel the king had already died. As such, the jinn settled in the mountains, married the women themselves, and their offspring came to be known as the Kurds.[7][8]
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During early ancient times, the Zagros was the home of various Pre Indo-European peoples such as the Hurrians, Guti, Kassites, Elamites, Turukku and Lullubi, (together with Semitic peoples such as Assyrians and Amorites on the western side) who periodically invaded the Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian cities of Mesopotamia. The mountains create a geographic barrier between the Mesopotamian Plain, which is in modern Iraq, and the Iranian plateau. A small archive of clay tablets detailing the complex interactions of these groups in the early second millennium BC has been found at Tell Shemshara along the Little Zab.[22] Tell Bazmusian, near Shemshara, was occupied between 5000 BCE and 800 CE, although not continuously.[23]
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https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/gutians/

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The Gutian language is primarily known from some personal names and only one of their gods is known from a list of divine names (Hallo, p. 719). They are always portrayed in extremely negative terms: They do not perform proper religious rites (Grayson, p. 149) and abuse the people of Babylonia by taking away the wife from the husband, the child from the parent (Frayne, pp. 284-93). One literary text from the early second millennium calls them “(of) human face, dogs’ cunning, monkey’s build” (Jacobsen, 1987, p. 368). We can thus conclude that for a while parts of Babylonia were politically controlled by people called Gutians, who were perceived as foreign and barbaric by the native population. Where they came from is not clear.

The terms Gutium and Gutians continued to be used in texts from northern and southern Mesopotamia during the second and first millennia. Often they refer to a region or people from the Zagros mountains, and are found together with other equally vague terms, such as Subartu and Lullumu. The persistent use of what must by then have been considered an ancient name was the result of the ideology that time stood still outside Mesopotamia’s borders and that no change took place there. Thus the term Gutian has no value as indication of a specific people and merely suggests uncivilized people from the Zagros. Any hostile group could be called Gutian. The Assyrian royal annals use the word Gutians when they refer to Iranian populations otherwise known as the Mannaeans or the Medes (Parpola, p. 138). The negative image persists: In the fifteenth century the Babylonian king Agum-kakrime calls them “a barbarous people” (Reiner, p. 80). The seventh-century Assyrian king Assurbanipal accuses Gutians of assisting the rebellious Babylonians (Luckenbill, p. 301), while the sixth century Babylonian king Nabonidus stated that they destroyed the temple at Sippar (Oppenheim, p. 309).

In the first millennium Gutium could be used as a geographical designator to refer to all or part of the Zagros region north of Elam, interchangeably with other terms. When Cyrus II The Great (q.v.) attacked Babylonia in 539 B.C.E., he did so with the help of Ugbaru, Nabonidus’ governor of the land of Gutium (Oppenheim, p. 306). In this context the term seems to refer to a large region east of the Tigris River which Cyrus used as a launching pad for his invasion. Ugbaru was probably the Gobryas (q.v.) reported by Xenophon to have switched allegiance to Persia and to have led the army against Babylonia (Briant, pp. 51-52).

While many references to Gutians and Gutium can be collected (Hallo), they do not allow us to write the history of a people or a country. The Mesopotamians used the terms in a variety of ways, depending on the context. At times they may have had a particular region and people in mind, at other times they used the terms to indicate diverse non-Mesopotamian lands or peoples.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutian_ ... esopotamia

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"The god Enlil — (as for) Gu[tium], the fanged serpent of the mountain, who acted with violence against the gods, who carried off the kingship of the land of Sumer to the mountain land, who fi[ll]ed the land of Sumer with wickedness, who took away the wife from the one who had a wife, who took away the child from the one who had a child, who put wickedness and evil in the land (of Sumer) — the god Enlil, lord of the foreign lands, commissioned Utu-hegal, the mighty man, king of Uruk, king of the four quarters, the king whose utterance cannot be countermanded, to destroy their name.
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https://kurdishpeople.org/gutian-dynasty/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1274378/