I shall begin by adding a few segments of writing I did many moons ago. Though my beliefs and views are not necessarily as strict as my previous writing was, as much time has passed, this was my starting point that progressed into greater evolution of beliefs.
The Ram
Since the rituals in ancient Jerusalem of the Scapegoat to the modern praise in devilworship of the ovis aries, the ram and goat have held supernatural significance in representation of Venus (Lucifer), devils, and all things demonically related.
The Ram maintains the symbolism of superiority and power, of strength and intelligence, an elaboration into the demons and spirits who walk in the flesh of these creatures. A notable moment of history for this mark was the mighty Alexander the Great and his affinity to the god Ammon, so much so he declared himself the son of the god. Ammon, or Amun in bastardized Egyptian form, was the ram horned deity taken from surrounding desert tribes and their own religions, and attributed to the most renown god of all time in Egyptian history, the "King of Gods", Amun-Ra (though separate entities at the time).
The notoriety of this new symbol made such an impact on progressing societies that the Devi himself was henceforth depicted with the horns of the ram and the legs of the goat, extending into the Jacobs goat in mockery of the Lamb, an emblem of the Christian Lord.
This became the renown Baphoment as it is seen in Satanism today. Baphoment carrying an origin extending from Jewish mythology of the goats association to Lilith and the ritual act of absolution of sin through the scapegoat, as seen in Leviticus 16 in the Hebrew Bible. The ram is also mentioned in the book of Revelations XIII: 11-14, as the second Beast of tribulation, though not subject to the nature of sin, in this case as it was adorned by the Beast, it became a mark of evil.
There are many cultures to which the ram and goat are significant characters, taken in sum and established as the head of the Devil, it has maintained its connotation of inversion of all things good. I have found the Head of the Ram to be more prominent in occult practice than that of the goat, which more heavily pertains to modern Satanism, which are not to be confused with one another, as Satanism is more catered to self enlightenment and rebellion of Christian laws, whereas demonolatry in occultism (which is where I lean more towards) is the worship of the demonic through Christian influence.
It is also very important to note the 20th century significance of the goat in the rise of Witchcraft, known as the Sabbatic Goat. The witches Sabbath is seen to be heavily saturated with the symbol of the goat being the Devil himself, in which Satan manifested as a goat and "danced" and was "kissed" by the devoted witches. As witchcraft isn't what my blog caters to, l won't write too much on the subject and leave it to the more educated on the subject.
The magnitude of the Ram in my own work, and why l lean so greatly to the understanding of this animal, is because of the trail that leads to and from the Daemon N, who adorns horns as "the woolly ram" and holds quite the similarities to Alexander the Great in appearance. N has been mentioned in writings and depicted in illustrations in association to Amun, to Gog and Magog, and to the Beast of Revelations, to which I am still deciphering the connection.
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The Ram - Symbolism
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Re: The Ram - Symbolism
Excellent! I'm so excited to edit more into this post based on what you've brought up! Also, even if there aren't responses immediately, you can proceed to write more in this thread or to make other ones abd discuss anything at all, and when I can, I'll at least get to them to try to reply extensively for starters, but don't let any delays hold you up or keep you from writing more, I am definitely reading it at least as soon as I see it, and then I'll reply too when I can, as soon as I can.
I'd say you can even collect all your writing somewhere on this forum along with new commentary on it, your art and changes in your view or commentary on style changes and influences, I'm very genuinely interested in all that, whatever you've been experiencing, going through, changes in symbolic interpretations and your uses of symbols, how you initially became interested in certain things or the story of your development with them. This can then also work as a record and a reference for yourself, and if you think that there may be interest in it by others you could collate and edit things into other forms that you could even make available for sale, and this website could be used for collecting your thoughts, comments, testing writing, feedback, going places you might not with more formal or edited writing. This is a wonderful start, and I appreciate so much that you're already making use of the website. If you have pre-made pieces, you can post those too at any frequency as no one is around here just yet, so I shouldn't think it is spam or anything offensive to do, but just creating a nice foundation to work with and off of.
I'd say you can even collect all your writing somewhere on this forum along with new commentary on it, your art and changes in your view or commentary on style changes and influences, I'm very genuinely interested in all that, whatever you've been experiencing, going through, changes in symbolic interpretations and your uses of symbols, how you initially became interested in certain things or the story of your development with them. This can then also work as a record and a reference for yourself, and if you think that there may be interest in it by others you could collate and edit things into other forms that you could even make available for sale, and this website could be used for collecting your thoughts, comments, testing writing, feedback, going places you might not with more formal or edited writing. This is a wonderful start, and I appreciate so much that you're already making use of the website. If you have pre-made pieces, you can post those too at any frequency as no one is around here just yet, so I shouldn't think it is spam or anything offensive to do, but just creating a nice foundation to work with and off of.
Fascinating reflection — I appreciate how you trace the ram’s symbolism across traditions, from the scapegoat rituals to Alexander’s devotion to Ammon, and on into the figure of Baphomet. What stands out most to me is how the ram becomes a kind of hinge point: both a sacred emblem of kingship and vitality, and simultaneously a vessel for inversion, rebellion, and demonology.
It’s also striking how your own “Daemon N” weaves into this mythic fabric, almost as if the symbol itself is alive, shifting through history and then finding embodiment again in your own work. Perhaps that’s the deeper pattern: the ram isn’t simply a fixed image of power or corruption, but a recurring archetype that speaks differently depending on the age, the ritual, and the voice interpreting it.
I’d be curious to see where you now diverge from your earlier writing — how your present perspective reshapes these horns you once took as absolute.
It’s also striking how your own “Daemon N” weaves into this mythic fabric, almost as if the symbol itself is alive, shifting through history and then finding embodiment again in your own work. Perhaps that’s the deeper pattern: the ram isn’t simply a fixed image of power or corruption, but a recurring archetype that speaks differently depending on the age, the ritual, and the voice interpreting it.
I’d be curious to see where you now diverge from your earlier writing — how your present perspective reshapes these horns you once took as absolute.
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I'll respond to a lot, your words will be in the " " quotes.
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I shall begin by adding a few segments of writing I did many moons ago.
"
How long ago, out of curiousity, if you remember?
"
Though my beliefs and views are not necessarily as strict as my previous writing was, as much time has passed, this was my starting point that progressed into greater evolution of beliefs.
"
I'd love to read the whole story if you're ever up to writing about it, of your ideas, where they seemed to come from, how they may have become strict seeming, then what may have changed them or softened them and how that might have occurred or why.
"
The Ram
"
The symbol is important to me in a few ways, but mostly one way probably, then another way that might end up appearing more prominently than the way I consider the more significant, even though the frequency at which the latter occurs would really make that appear to be the most prominent appearance and the most functional one for me. I'll either explain further, interspersed throughout, or at the end.
"
Since the rituals in ancient Jerusalem of the Scapegoat to the modern praise in devilworship of the ovis aries, the ram and goat have held supernatural significance in representation of Venus (Lucifer), devils, and all things demonically related.
The Ram maintains the symbolism of superiority and power, of strength and intelligence, an elaboration into the demons and spirits who walk in the flesh of these creatures.
"
Could you explain more about the idea of demons, demons walking in the flesh of these animals, or was that just a poetic flourish not meant to be taken too seriously?
"
A notable moment of history for this mark was the mighty Alexander the Great and his affinity to the god Ammon, so much so he declared himself the son of the god. Ammon, or Amun in bastardized Egyptian form, was the ram horned deity taken from surrounding desert tribes and their own religions, and attributed to the most renown god of all time in Egyptian history, the "King of Gods", Amun-Ra (though separate entities at the time).
"
Are you saying Ammon and Amun-Ra are separate entities, or that Amun and Ra were separate entities? I think you are saying that the tribal Ammon was separate from Amun-Ra of the Egyptians but was being pulled in and conflated but were overall and originally encompassing different symbols, descriptors, and domains of activity? Would you be alright describing the ideas you've had of "entities" and what you think now as compared to other times, thoughts, and theories?
"
The notoriety of this new symbol made such an impact on progressing societies that the Devi himself was henceforth depicted with the horns of the ram and the legs of the goat, extending into the Jacobs goat in mockery of the Lamb, an emblem of the Christian Lord.
This became the renown Baphoment as it is seen in Satanism today. Baphoment carrying an origin extending from J*w*sh mythology of the goats association to Lilith and the ritual act of absolution of sin through the scapegoat, as seen in Leviticus 16 in the H*br*w Bible. The ram is also mentioned in the book of Revelations XIII: 11-14, as the second Beast of tribulation, though not subject to the nature of sin, in this case as it was adorned by the Beast, it became a mark of evil.
There are many cultures to which the ram and goat are significant characters, taken in sum and established as the head of the Devil, it has maintained its connotation of inversion of all things good.
"
By blaspheming people who are in fact the ones who seem to me to be opposite of all things good but saying everything else is bad and that only their true evilness is "good", just like they call the Bible "Holy", when it is the furthest thing from anything sacred, even by the standards which seem to float around them and which they proclaim, while waving around a p*rn*gr*ph*c snuff fantasy edition of Hustler they call a Divinely Inspired Text. Lol, yeah, I'm really not a fan of those people, that book, or that culture, and it is most clear now why no one should be either. I find that book and the religion that stems from it to be real wickedness and contrary to justice and decency, even though it tries to pass itself off as the only justice and decency ever, when it was never that and mainly the opposite of that through and through.
"
I have found the Head of the Ram to be more prominent in occult practice than that of the goat, which more heavily pertains to modern Satanism, which are not to be confused with one another, as Satanism is more catered to self enlightenment and rebellion of Christian laws, whereas demonolatry in occultism (which is where I lean more towards) is the worship of the demonic through Christian influence.
"
I'm with the demonic too.
"
It is also very important to note the 20th century significance of the goat in the rise of Witchcraft, known as the Sabbatic Goat. The witches Sabbath is seen to be heavily saturated with the symbol of the goat being the Devil himself, in which Satan manifested as a goat and "danced" and was "kissed" by the devoted witches. As witchcraft isn't what my blog caters to, l won't write too much on the subject and leave it to the more educated on the subject.
"
Is your blog still up anywhere? I think you can port over all your writing to this site if you have it, it might preserve it in this other location at least as a back up.
"
The magnitude of the Ram in my own work, and why l lean so greatly to the understanding of this animal, is because of the trail that leads to and from the Daemon N, who adorns horns as "the woolly ram" and holds quite the similarities to Alexander the Great in appearance. N has been mentioned in writings and depicted in illustrations in association to Amun, to Gog and Magog, and to the Beast of Revelations, to which I am still deciphering the connection.
'For My Horns Are Blonde In Color, And Sturdy Are They To My Might'
"
What is the last quote, was that something you found in writing or which was said to you or inspired in you?
The only place that quote links to now is right here.
So for me, the Ram is very similar to your understanding in this writing, which I connect to MegaMedes:
https://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKrios.html
Which I consider to be God and an aspect of God or The One Power, since I superpower all these to being Ultimate, Best, and Greatest, they thus are not to me separate, but just different ways in which one can focus upon or approach a certain domain or manifestation of PanDaemon(ium):
https://www.etymonline.com/word/pandemonium
https://www.etymonline.com/word/demon
"
demon(n.)
c. 1200, "an evil spirit, malignant supernatural being, an incubus, a devil," from Latin daemon "spirit," from Greek daimōn "deity, divine power; lesser god; guiding spirit, tutelary deity" (sometimes including souls of the dead); "one's genius, lot, or fortune;" from PIE *dai-mon- "divider, provider" (of fortunes or destinies), from root *da- "to divide."
The malignant sense is because the Greek word was used (with daimonion) in Christian Greek translations and the Vulgate for "god of the heathen, heathen idol" and also for "unclean spirit." Jewish authors earlier had employed the Greek word in this sense, using it to render shedim "lords, idols" in the Septuagint, and Matthew viii.31 has daimones, translated as deofol in Old English, feend or deuil in Middle English. Another Old English word for this was hellcniht, literally "hell-knight."
The usual ancient Greek sense, "supernatural agent or intelligence lower than a god, ministering spirit" is attested in English from 1560s and is sometimes written daemon or daimon for purposes of distinction. Meaning "destructive or hideous person" is from 1610s; as "an evil agency personified" (rum, etc.) from 1712.
The Demon of Socrates (late 14c. in English) was a daimonion, a "divine principle or inward oracle." His accusers, and later the Church Fathers, however, represented this otherwise. The Demon Star (1895) is Algol (q.v.) .
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So, to me, Daemon ir Daimone or whatever people want to transliterate it as, is good, and I don't believe in "bad demons" at all really, even though I might use words like "demonic" and even "Satanic" in the usual negative sense for rhetorical purposes and more effective propaganda efforts and polemics since it has a more widespread and common understanding as negative by people, just like pigs and dogs, even though I like both and consider them sacred symbols, I still use the terms as insults or with insulting implications in common speech or writing.
The Ram doesn't get viewed or associated with anything negative for the most part and seems to scarcely be mentioned at all except mostly in reference to the vehicle possibly or the verb, the ramming action, which might be mentioned more than the vehicle, but I don't hear either being used.
Veles also connects to the symbol, particularly the wooliness at this point with what little they've gathered, but to ke it is likely the very same hostility depicted in relation to the constellations in the Theomachy and then the Gigantomachy and Veles supposed struggle and opposition to whatever other God like Zeus. The people are also from a similar region as Alexander was from where this symbol was likely very prominent, and seems to have appeared anywhere that heavy horned beasts appeared with their noble appearance and strength.
Personally though, I don't probably care much for the appearance or even the behavior of these types of animals.
The horns appear on various characters and images with figures wearing them have been used to represent me, including an image of Will Ferrel wearing them as Mugatu in the end credits of Zoolander 2. Others who have prominent horns in modern culture are images by Marvel Comics and maybe others of Thoth-Amon (A name similar to a somewhat famous N*z*, Amon Göth, even though Robert E. Howard first published the name in 1932), and their depiction of Loki, which has a different sort than the very thick and curled ones.
More recently, similar structures have appeared through this character:
https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Mohg,_Lord_of_Blood
Also this entire album is one that I like and derive a lot from also:
That the word appears significantly and people keep getting reminded of it and the symbol and what it gets connected to is relevant to me also, since I don't take anything in existence or experience or reality to be by chance or random truly, except way back in the sense of being unecessary, but still necessarily deliberate.
Thank you so much for bringing up this symbol which is of extreme significance to me, it makes me so happy to see it brought up here and what you said about it.
"
I shall begin by adding a few segments of writing I did many moons ago.
"
How long ago, out of curiousity, if you remember?
"
Though my beliefs and views are not necessarily as strict as my previous writing was, as much time has passed, this was my starting point that progressed into greater evolution of beliefs.
"
I'd love to read the whole story if you're ever up to writing about it, of your ideas, where they seemed to come from, how they may have become strict seeming, then what may have changed them or softened them and how that might have occurred or why.
"
The Ram
"
The symbol is important to me in a few ways, but mostly one way probably, then another way that might end up appearing more prominently than the way I consider the more significant, even though the frequency at which the latter occurs would really make that appear to be the most prominent appearance and the most functional one for me. I'll either explain further, interspersed throughout, or at the end.
"
Since the rituals in ancient Jerusalem of the Scapegoat to the modern praise in devilworship of the ovis aries, the ram and goat have held supernatural significance in representation of Venus (Lucifer), devils, and all things demonically related.
The Ram maintains the symbolism of superiority and power, of strength and intelligence, an elaboration into the demons and spirits who walk in the flesh of these creatures.
"
Could you explain more about the idea of demons, demons walking in the flesh of these animals, or was that just a poetic flourish not meant to be taken too seriously?
"
A notable moment of history for this mark was the mighty Alexander the Great and his affinity to the god Ammon, so much so he declared himself the son of the god. Ammon, or Amun in bastardized Egyptian form, was the ram horned deity taken from surrounding desert tribes and their own religions, and attributed to the most renown god of all time in Egyptian history, the "King of Gods", Amun-Ra (though separate entities at the time).
"
Are you saying Ammon and Amun-Ra are separate entities, or that Amun and Ra were separate entities? I think you are saying that the tribal Ammon was separate from Amun-Ra of the Egyptians but was being pulled in and conflated but were overall and originally encompassing different symbols, descriptors, and domains of activity? Would you be alright describing the ideas you've had of "entities" and what you think now as compared to other times, thoughts, and theories?
"
The notoriety of this new symbol made such an impact on progressing societies that the Devi himself was henceforth depicted with the horns of the ram and the legs of the goat, extending into the Jacobs goat in mockery of the Lamb, an emblem of the Christian Lord.
This became the renown Baphoment as it is seen in Satanism today. Baphoment carrying an origin extending from J*w*sh mythology of the goats association to Lilith and the ritual act of absolution of sin through the scapegoat, as seen in Leviticus 16 in the H*br*w Bible. The ram is also mentioned in the book of Revelations XIII: 11-14, as the second Beast of tribulation, though not subject to the nature of sin, in this case as it was adorned by the Beast, it became a mark of evil.
There are many cultures to which the ram and goat are significant characters, taken in sum and established as the head of the Devil, it has maintained its connotation of inversion of all things good.
"
By blaspheming people who are in fact the ones who seem to me to be opposite of all things good but saying everything else is bad and that only their true evilness is "good", just like they call the Bible "Holy", when it is the furthest thing from anything sacred, even by the standards which seem to float around them and which they proclaim, while waving around a p*rn*gr*ph*c snuff fantasy edition of Hustler they call a Divinely Inspired Text. Lol, yeah, I'm really not a fan of those people, that book, or that culture, and it is most clear now why no one should be either. I find that book and the religion that stems from it to be real wickedness and contrary to justice and decency, even though it tries to pass itself off as the only justice and decency ever, when it was never that and mainly the opposite of that through and through.
"
I have found the Head of the Ram to be more prominent in occult practice than that of the goat, which more heavily pertains to modern Satanism, which are not to be confused with one another, as Satanism is more catered to self enlightenment and rebellion of Christian laws, whereas demonolatry in occultism (which is where I lean more towards) is the worship of the demonic through Christian influence.
"
I'm with the demonic too.
"
It is also very important to note the 20th century significance of the goat in the rise of Witchcraft, known as the Sabbatic Goat. The witches Sabbath is seen to be heavily saturated with the symbol of the goat being the Devil himself, in which Satan manifested as a goat and "danced" and was "kissed" by the devoted witches. As witchcraft isn't what my blog caters to, l won't write too much on the subject and leave it to the more educated on the subject.
"
Is your blog still up anywhere? I think you can port over all your writing to this site if you have it, it might preserve it in this other location at least as a back up.
"
The magnitude of the Ram in my own work, and why l lean so greatly to the understanding of this animal, is because of the trail that leads to and from the Daemon N, who adorns horns as "the woolly ram" and holds quite the similarities to Alexander the Great in appearance. N has been mentioned in writings and depicted in illustrations in association to Amun, to Gog and Magog, and to the Beast of Revelations, to which I am still deciphering the connection.
'For My Horns Are Blonde In Color, And Sturdy Are They To My Might'
"
What is the last quote, was that something you found in writing or which was said to you or inspired in you?
The only place that quote links to now is right here.
So for me, the Ram is very similar to your understanding in this writing, which I connect to MegaMedes:
https://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKrios.html
Which I consider to be God and an aspect of God or The One Power, since I superpower all these to being Ultimate, Best, and Greatest, they thus are not to me separate, but just different ways in which one can focus upon or approach a certain domain or manifestation of PanDaemon(ium):
https://www.etymonline.com/word/pandemonium
https://www.etymonline.com/word/demon
"
demon(n.)
c. 1200, "an evil spirit, malignant supernatural being, an incubus, a devil," from Latin daemon "spirit," from Greek daimōn "deity, divine power; lesser god; guiding spirit, tutelary deity" (sometimes including souls of the dead); "one's genius, lot, or fortune;" from PIE *dai-mon- "divider, provider" (of fortunes or destinies), from root *da- "to divide."
The malignant sense is because the Greek word was used (with daimonion) in Christian Greek translations and the Vulgate for "god of the heathen, heathen idol" and also for "unclean spirit." Jewish authors earlier had employed the Greek word in this sense, using it to render shedim "lords, idols" in the Septuagint, and Matthew viii.31 has daimones, translated as deofol in Old English, feend or deuil in Middle English. Another Old English word for this was hellcniht, literally "hell-knight."
The usual ancient Greek sense, "supernatural agent or intelligence lower than a god, ministering spirit" is attested in English from 1560s and is sometimes written daemon or daimon for purposes of distinction. Meaning "destructive or hideous person" is from 1610s; as "an evil agency personified" (rum, etc.) from 1712.
The Demon of Socrates (late 14c. in English) was a daimonion, a "divine principle or inward oracle." His accusers, and later the Church Fathers, however, represented this otherwise. The Demon Star (1895) is Algol (q.v.) .
"
So, to me, Daemon ir Daimone or whatever people want to transliterate it as, is good, and I don't believe in "bad demons" at all really, even though I might use words like "demonic" and even "Satanic" in the usual negative sense for rhetorical purposes and more effective propaganda efforts and polemics since it has a more widespread and common understanding as negative by people, just like pigs and dogs, even though I like both and consider them sacred symbols, I still use the terms as insults or with insulting implications in common speech or writing.
The Ram doesn't get viewed or associated with anything negative for the most part and seems to scarcely be mentioned at all except mostly in reference to the vehicle possibly or the verb, the ramming action, which might be mentioned more than the vehicle, but I don't hear either being used.
Veles also connects to the symbol, particularly the wooliness at this point with what little they've gathered, but to ke it is likely the very same hostility depicted in relation to the constellations in the Theomachy and then the Gigantomachy and Veles supposed struggle and opposition to whatever other God like Zeus. The people are also from a similar region as Alexander was from where this symbol was likely very prominent, and seems to have appeared anywhere that heavy horned beasts appeared with their noble appearance and strength.
Personally though, I don't probably care much for the appearance or even the behavior of these types of animals.
The horns appear on various characters and images with figures wearing them have been used to represent me, including an image of Will Ferrel wearing them as Mugatu in the end credits of Zoolander 2. Others who have prominent horns in modern culture are images by Marvel Comics and maybe others of Thoth-Amon (A name similar to a somewhat famous N*z*, Amon Göth, even though Robert E. Howard first published the name in 1932), and their depiction of Loki, which has a different sort than the very thick and curled ones.
More recently, similar structures have appeared through this character:
https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Mohg,_Lord_of_Blood
Also this entire album is one that I like and derive a lot from also:
That the word appears significantly and people keep getting reminded of it and the symbol and what it gets connected to is relevant to me also, since I don't take anything in existence or experience or reality to be by chance or random truly, except way back in the sense of being unecessary, but still necessarily deliberate.
Thank you so much for bringing up this symbol which is of extreme significance to me, it makes me so happy to see it brought up here and what you said about it.