I am open to any suggestions all users have about how the forum should be structured, what categories should it be organised into?
I never really intended IndieAgora to be rigid. It can be about anything but I am happy to create separate sections of it makes searching and discussion easier.
Let me know in the replies.
Forum Categories
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Forum Categories
I was going to discuss it privately, and I don't fully know if it is a good idea, I am still thinking about it or how it might play out if it were done or agreed to but I'm not sure I would even want it, but I was thinking that I'd at least like to collect a list of all the threads I created and so still control the editing of, and then posdibly to have them all moved to a locked area where my threads go but which anyone can reply in but they can't start a topic in, and that was just to help me organize and keep track of my topics which for me act as temples dedicated to meditations on certain collections of intertwining ideas that build into an overall theme and where things that are related can be aggregated abd collected to further build and emphasize the ideas and their nuances.
I could just manage it in any section though without an exclusive locked area, and also since I'd not like anything to look discouraging to people who might want to post.
My main concern is seeing how the way people think and feel has changed over the years, and to get an idea about what would make the site more appealing to show to people so that they feel more interested in jumping in and getting started. The impression I'm getting from people is that something is turning them off or away about the layout, the appearance, and any learning curve or re-learning curve if they've been away from forums for a little while now.
I've, possibly annoyingly for the people I've been insisting with and soliciting to join, been trying so hard and repeatedly to get them to communicate over this format, but they seem a lot more eager and willing to chat, so maybe something about this site and the available writing on it appears too formal and intimidating for some of them, not that we should start lowering the standards, as I am very pleased with the writing here and that it encourages quality and keeps the standard high, for length, depth, and quality.
Many are from past forums like Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, Free-Minds.org, Wizard Forums, the two big religion or religious forums dot org and dot com, even as far back as Totse, or from various Buddhist forums. They had been exposed to sites like the Thelema forum, E.A. Koetting's Become A Living God, and possibly various gaming and even C.I.A. run "Islamic" forums and who knows what else generally pretty weird stuff, and often pretty unpleasant looking too, but somehow this site may be visually rubbing them the wrong way and not looking like what they are looking for, but it isn't clear what would do better and they might not even know since they aren't thinking about it like that or used to being really sharp about their reactions to every little detail.
I barely care about that element currently because I've reached a point where I'm at least comfortable enough to produce my usual style of writing here, which I was practicing for the last few years on little private forums where I was practically the only person writing and which only a few people would see or be exposed to, with practically no responses or feedback or even knowing if the one other person there who owned the site was even reading any of it lol, perhaps a little similar to this situation too, but my first concern is that I produce anything at all and that it is protected and preserved and retrievable.
So from my experience, the navigation within just this forum section can be improved somehow, as I don't know how aware people are of clicking the title bars up top like "Board Index" and "General Site Information" to navigate around, which is the main method I use.
I'd also like a "recent posts" or "recent activity" area below or somewhere that I can access to see whatever the latest posts are in any thread no matter when they occur or where, which is how I navigated most sites in the past to quickly get to wherever the activity was. Way back in the past I used to enjoy little gimmicks on much more active websites like when a topic would end up getting a flame next to it to show it was a hot topic with a lot of views and activity, but those websites had very large populations when forums in general were more popular also. Those gimmicks acted like advertisements though, they would attract even more attention and activity by highlighting the threads and making people feel like they might matter more somehow due to the effect it had of concentrating attention to anything, and the websites that did that also were profiting from ads.
What made me afraid and turned me off from a lot of places and communication was all kinds of unpleasantness and unpleasant seeming people, peolle who seemed to be political agents trying to manipulate public opinion or post propaganda and agendas and then the totally criminal seeming nutcases on the other hand who seemed obsessive and volatile and very dangerous to be seen by, which increasingly made me feel uncomfortable long after things like the "Patriot Act" were in play.
On a lot of sites, people also just seemed to repeat the same stuff endlessly in little one line responses, totally disinterested in saying anything, thinking about anything, being creative, being entertaining, so offering no substance or stimulation, yet still writing that way for years upon years regularly, just like one sentence per post or less and of their favorite comments to post, gosh it seemed like something had to be wrong with them too.
All those years, bots were being tested extensively over these places too, and earlier A.I. before it was as mainstream or widely accessible to the public. One of the ways in which I was shown how it was being used was by poll manipulation, and otherwise by multiple client programs or whatever they may be called, where a single controller would spam different comments and opinions as different people or "socks" to manipulate the public also and make things look skewed in certain ways.
What always kept me from writing a blog was the sense of initially just talking to nobody, even though that is what I'm probably typically doing anyway, the sense that someone may be watching or may see besides me changes the way I write slightly but at the very least makes it feel more worthwhile to do. The idea of no feedback, even imaginary feedback, in some quiet little unsearchable and unfindable, totally unknown place where I'm the only one I know of and I'm typing really exclusively to myself at first, seemed horrible and depressing to me and not worth doing even though it probably would have been a good practice.
I bring it up because people are saying No to this site, yet are writing what they would or could have written here or somewhere like here on places like facebook which look pretty bad to me, but the difference must be a greater sense of people being around and having things seen by others, the same thing that kept me away from writing a blog might keep people away from sites which don't seem to be very active of have much of a population, plus with so many bad experiences now amply available online, people may also hesitate to risk running into any such thing, especially when emotions are running high and people are on edge and feel like anything is too much.
I was really distressed for example by finding out my writing had been disturbing or annoying for anyone, like it is natural that people actually don't like bothering others or being viewed negatively, and the fear of stepping on anyone's toes when there are now so many darn toes everywhere jutting out makes people just want to hide, maybe even cry.
They reminisce to me and lament about places like Wizard Forums, and I don't fully remember too clearly but it may have looked a bit different, with a wisely chosen light color scheme as I've found dark color schemes seem to not only look less professional or worthwhile in a sense value of "seriousness/realness", but also tends to invite and bring out the worst in people like I often see on Discord, the very name if which may be attracting problematic people who are acting out there. So it was light, maybe alright looking ir better looking to people somehow, and was populated seeming, even though a good number of those populating it seemed to be not that nice or great, since the overall niche is one that brings in a lot of people who are disenfranchised and defensive, the whole social politics of what people with fringe beliefs or ideas feel they have to go through to get what they think other people have who never discuss such things makes them tend towards overkill in various ways, like a bunch of fledgling cult leaders fighting to even find their way up and more prominent in the goo, not separating from it but also coming out on top, and questioning any of it is totally contrary to what they seem to be up to or anything they are interested in experiencing.
I bring that up since it could be that people don't like what it is I like or try to do, they are actually interested in and doing something else entirely when they used to communicate on forums or choose to communicate.
The people I've collected over the years as contacts seem to be a little different at least, or at least much more curious about things and wandering as compared to people who are obsessed with projecting a specifically curated identity as their real daily practice, which to someone like me seems properly nuts and even worthless. Also, if it is about cosplay, then just do it, but it never seems to be enough for people who know they don't have much going on and barely even think about things or look into their experiences, it is all then about forcing and coercing and pressuring people to accept them in whatever way they want to be accepted or acknowledged, even based on whims that change by the second and no amount of worship can appease, it is an endless itch that can't be scratched, abd some people make a career out of it.
What interest would it be to such people to just learn about things, learn about others, play with ideas, even to be amused? We must seem especially lazy to people who, even if unemployed, are always "working" "as" but scarcely "being", which seems to me like a fundamental misuse of what to do with life, but they would think meandering exploration is probably worthless crap.
Again, I'm bringing up these vague seeming things to try to figure out how this site could seem more welcoming to people and to give them what they are looking for, but also to discourage people who might be too different, which it appears that this site is so far achieving at least at such an early stage.
I could just manage it in any section though without an exclusive locked area, and also since I'd not like anything to look discouraging to people who might want to post.
My main concern is seeing how the way people think and feel has changed over the years, and to get an idea about what would make the site more appealing to show to people so that they feel more interested in jumping in and getting started. The impression I'm getting from people is that something is turning them off or away about the layout, the appearance, and any learning curve or re-learning curve if they've been away from forums for a little while now.
I've, possibly annoyingly for the people I've been insisting with and soliciting to join, been trying so hard and repeatedly to get them to communicate over this format, but they seem a lot more eager and willing to chat, so maybe something about this site and the available writing on it appears too formal and intimidating for some of them, not that we should start lowering the standards, as I am very pleased with the writing here and that it encourages quality and keeps the standard high, for length, depth, and quality.
Many are from past forums like Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, Free-Minds.org, Wizard Forums, the two big religion or religious forums dot org and dot com, even as far back as Totse, or from various Buddhist forums. They had been exposed to sites like the Thelema forum, E.A. Koetting's Become A Living God, and possibly various gaming and even C.I.A. run "Islamic" forums and who knows what else generally pretty weird stuff, and often pretty unpleasant looking too, but somehow this site may be visually rubbing them the wrong way and not looking like what they are looking for, but it isn't clear what would do better and they might not even know since they aren't thinking about it like that or used to being really sharp about their reactions to every little detail.
I barely care about that element currently because I've reached a point where I'm at least comfortable enough to produce my usual style of writing here, which I was practicing for the last few years on little private forums where I was practically the only person writing and which only a few people would see or be exposed to, with practically no responses or feedback or even knowing if the one other person there who owned the site was even reading any of it lol, perhaps a little similar to this situation too, but my first concern is that I produce anything at all and that it is protected and preserved and retrievable.
So from my experience, the navigation within just this forum section can be improved somehow, as I don't know how aware people are of clicking the title bars up top like "Board Index" and "General Site Information" to navigate around, which is the main method I use.
I'd also like a "recent posts" or "recent activity" area below or somewhere that I can access to see whatever the latest posts are in any thread no matter when they occur or where, which is how I navigated most sites in the past to quickly get to wherever the activity was. Way back in the past I used to enjoy little gimmicks on much more active websites like when a topic would end up getting a flame next to it to show it was a hot topic with a lot of views and activity, but those websites had very large populations when forums in general were more popular also. Those gimmicks acted like advertisements though, they would attract even more attention and activity by highlighting the threads and making people feel like they might matter more somehow due to the effect it had of concentrating attention to anything, and the websites that did that also were profiting from ads.
What made me afraid and turned me off from a lot of places and communication was all kinds of unpleasantness and unpleasant seeming people, peolle who seemed to be political agents trying to manipulate public opinion or post propaganda and agendas and then the totally criminal seeming nutcases on the other hand who seemed obsessive and volatile and very dangerous to be seen by, which increasingly made me feel uncomfortable long after things like the "Patriot Act" were in play.
On a lot of sites, people also just seemed to repeat the same stuff endlessly in little one line responses, totally disinterested in saying anything, thinking about anything, being creative, being entertaining, so offering no substance or stimulation, yet still writing that way for years upon years regularly, just like one sentence per post or less and of their favorite comments to post, gosh it seemed like something had to be wrong with them too.
All those years, bots were being tested extensively over these places too, and earlier A.I. before it was as mainstream or widely accessible to the public. One of the ways in which I was shown how it was being used was by poll manipulation, and otherwise by multiple client programs or whatever they may be called, where a single controller would spam different comments and opinions as different people or "socks" to manipulate the public also and make things look skewed in certain ways.
What always kept me from writing a blog was the sense of initially just talking to nobody, even though that is what I'm probably typically doing anyway, the sense that someone may be watching or may see besides me changes the way I write slightly but at the very least makes it feel more worthwhile to do. The idea of no feedback, even imaginary feedback, in some quiet little unsearchable and unfindable, totally unknown place where I'm the only one I know of and I'm typing really exclusively to myself at first, seemed horrible and depressing to me and not worth doing even though it probably would have been a good practice.
I bring it up because people are saying No to this site, yet are writing what they would or could have written here or somewhere like here on places like facebook which look pretty bad to me, but the difference must be a greater sense of people being around and having things seen by others, the same thing that kept me away from writing a blog might keep people away from sites which don't seem to be very active of have much of a population, plus with so many bad experiences now amply available online, people may also hesitate to risk running into any such thing, especially when emotions are running high and people are on edge and feel like anything is too much.
I was really distressed for example by finding out my writing had been disturbing or annoying for anyone, like it is natural that people actually don't like bothering others or being viewed negatively, and the fear of stepping on anyone's toes when there are now so many darn toes everywhere jutting out makes people just want to hide, maybe even cry.
They reminisce to me and lament about places like Wizard Forums, and I don't fully remember too clearly but it may have looked a bit different, with a wisely chosen light color scheme as I've found dark color schemes seem to not only look less professional or worthwhile in a sense value of "seriousness/realness", but also tends to invite and bring out the worst in people like I often see on Discord, the very name if which may be attracting problematic people who are acting out there. So it was light, maybe alright looking ir better looking to people somehow, and was populated seeming, even though a good number of those populating it seemed to be not that nice or great, since the overall niche is one that brings in a lot of people who are disenfranchised and defensive, the whole social politics of what people with fringe beliefs or ideas feel they have to go through to get what they think other people have who never discuss such things makes them tend towards overkill in various ways, like a bunch of fledgling cult leaders fighting to even find their way up and more prominent in the goo, not separating from it but also coming out on top, and questioning any of it is totally contrary to what they seem to be up to or anything they are interested in experiencing.
I bring that up since it could be that people don't like what it is I like or try to do, they are actually interested in and doing something else entirely when they used to communicate on forums or choose to communicate.
The people I've collected over the years as contacts seem to be a little different at least, or at least much more curious about things and wandering as compared to people who are obsessed with projecting a specifically curated identity as their real daily practice, which to someone like me seems properly nuts and even worthless. Also, if it is about cosplay, then just do it, but it never seems to be enough for people who know they don't have much going on and barely even think about things or look into their experiences, it is all then about forcing and coercing and pressuring people to accept them in whatever way they want to be accepted or acknowledged, even based on whims that change by the second and no amount of worship can appease, it is an endless itch that can't be scratched, abd some people make a career out of it.
What interest would it be to such people to just learn about things, learn about others, play with ideas, even to be amused? We must seem especially lazy to people who, even if unemployed, are always "working" "as" but scarcely "being", which seems to me like a fundamental misuse of what to do with life, but they would think meandering exploration is probably worthless crap.
Again, I'm bringing up these vague seeming things to try to figure out how this site could seem more welcoming to people and to give them what they are looking for, but also to discourage people who might be too different, which it appears that this site is so far achieving at least at such an early stage.
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Forum Categories
Also, though it may cause confusion for our file keeping purposes which might not be all that important, I've also enjoyed websites which aren't full of lots of filed away seeming areas, and sometimes I like as few clicks as possible, so going right
I do prefer a section when it shows everything right away and have sometimes preferred those which immediately show all their posts on the front page without lots or even any separated out sections or just one main area.
So the threads that are new could end up in the same area as the imported threads, otherwise it will start to look better as that new thread area fills up more, so The Ram could be moved there potentially if you want to keep the older threads organized as separate, even though I'm adding new writing and I'm likely to add new titles and basically make them like they are new threads anyway.
So I don't mind also if you end up moving Boethiah Khaine and all the others into that section which by having so many threads in it makes it also seem more active, besides also for now being more active since I've been posting there. Actually, now that I think about it, dif I re-purpose any and all threads in there or did I end up making new ones in there too? I think I probably just re-purposed threads in there and had otherwise made some recently when the main site and the forum site were less connected briefly. So that makes the two sections probably not that important for now. You could shift it all to one general area or just make it all available for less clicks before getting to the threads and the action.
The color scheme and other superficial aspects could be played with, but it can be hard to know what would hit the right spot for the most people and aldo what would hit the spot for the people who are going to be using it the most, which for now is me and you, and hopefully some of the others return and our newest members also continue to post a lot if they can find the time and energy. My energy has been fluctuating tremendously very recently, and I'm going to try to figure out what that might be about besides the stressors and health issues, to see what motivates me and when and what demotivates me and why that might be.
So on my phone version on Chrome still since I haven't found what to delete to make room for Firefox to test that, the forum for me appears to have no little extra personalization gimmicks that people tend to like and to use to feel more "identified" or projecting some persona or attitude through or honoring some symbol or idea or image through their name and an image attached, which sometimes changes frequently. I never liked signatures where people would have some sentence repeated at the end of their writing, which would become really obnoxious and irritating looking when they would post very briefly and then have this stupid quote or whatever at the bottom, but little images on the side under their name would help to quickly identify them.
Sometimes there were other things like slightly alternating background colors between posts, which if a person doesn't post twice in a row would further clarify that a post has ended and that someone else might be writing, though a more advanced form of that would perhaps at least keep the original poster of the thread getting a slightly unique background color in their thread or bless them with the badge of authority of having "OP" next to their name in their threads or some kind of highlighting.
They also had reward systems of a sort, probably to encourage posting, like stars or some information about their post count or little titles lol, maybe those made people feel appreciated more.
These are just ideas from things I've seen on older forums throughout the years, starting with Totse I think, which was the first forum I was on:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOTSE
I do prefer a section when it shows everything right away and have sometimes preferred those which immediately show all their posts on the front page without lots or even any separated out sections or just one main area.
So the threads that are new could end up in the same area as the imported threads, otherwise it will start to look better as that new thread area fills up more, so The Ram could be moved there potentially if you want to keep the older threads organized as separate, even though I'm adding new writing and I'm likely to add new titles and basically make them like they are new threads anyway.
So I don't mind also if you end up moving Boethiah Khaine and all the others into that section which by having so many threads in it makes it also seem more active, besides also for now being more active since I've been posting there. Actually, now that I think about it, dif I re-purpose any and all threads in there or did I end up making new ones in there too? I think I probably just re-purposed threads in there and had otherwise made some recently when the main site and the forum site were less connected briefly. So that makes the two sections probably not that important for now. You could shift it all to one general area or just make it all available for less clicks before getting to the threads and the action.
The color scheme and other superficial aspects could be played with, but it can be hard to know what would hit the right spot for the most people and aldo what would hit the spot for the people who are going to be using it the most, which for now is me and you, and hopefully some of the others return and our newest members also continue to post a lot if they can find the time and energy. My energy has been fluctuating tremendously very recently, and I'm going to try to figure out what that might be about besides the stressors and health issues, to see what motivates me and when and what demotivates me and why that might be.
So on my phone version on Chrome still since I haven't found what to delete to make room for Firefox to test that, the forum for me appears to have no little extra personalization gimmicks that people tend to like and to use to feel more "identified" or projecting some persona or attitude through or honoring some symbol or idea or image through their name and an image attached, which sometimes changes frequently. I never liked signatures where people would have some sentence repeated at the end of their writing, which would become really obnoxious and irritating looking when they would post very briefly and then have this stupid quote or whatever at the bottom, but little images on the side under their name would help to quickly identify them.
Sometimes there were other things like slightly alternating background colors between posts, which if a person doesn't post twice in a row would further clarify that a post has ended and that someone else might be writing, though a more advanced form of that would perhaps at least keep the original poster of the thread getting a slightly unique background color in their thread or bless them with the badge of authority of having "OP" next to their name in their threads or some kind of highlighting.
They also had reward systems of a sort, probably to encourage posting, like stars or some information about their post count or little titles lol, maybe those made people feel appreciated more.
These are just ideas from things I've seen on older forums throughout the years, starting with Totse I think, which was the first forum I was on:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOTSE
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Forum Categories
So here is what I'm imagining, hopefully text will be able to do it justice:
I type in the main website link and it leads either to this usual page or there is a menu that lists the various pages which could also be a page /menu or something.
This main link page that I'm typing on now is indieagora.com and it shows ne the orange logo in the corner, a blue bar, a search button, a letter icon for messages, and a notification bell, as well as a drop down menu.
It could just be an icon that leads to the forum and an icon that leads to the streaming added to the top there, it might be the neatest. I think maybe I think of columns or a column with a forum, but it could be a microphone, a head talking, one of those voice projector bullhorn cone things. The streaming site button could be those clapboard things for beginning filming. Otherwise it could just write out on the blue bar in the space at the lower end of it "forum" "streaming" and whatever else, possibly even parts of this main site, like Members, Activity (for the recent activity, especially updates specifically, which I can't read from the forum, so I check to not miss those here since I want to respond to those and also to let you know I am looking at those).
The forum button would take me back to the main forum. The less hidden spaces and nooks and crannies and navigation needed the better. For the forum, the best area for it to link to is whatever page shows the sub forums, though other old websites have at times not had divided areas and everything is listed all at once with threads bumped up making it to the top. A unique gimmick I've never seen on any website could be Thread Avatars, a picture one could upload that appears with their thread. If it just remains how it is, then it would show the three areas and I'd click those, though I'd be fine if everything is made one, though technical website stuff and help can remain separate. I might like at the very least my Boethiah Khaine, not The Temple Of Khaine (TO Kh) to be circulating along with the other Temples I've converted, or if a separate section is made for my threads then any thread that I can control due to my being the first poster and creator of the thread can be moved into one area, though I personally might prefer circulation amongst everything else potentially, since, as weird, silly, and superstitious as it may sound, the more threads shuffle and move, the more meaning I derive from noticing the shifts or where I or you or anyone else has decided to post, what it has moved up or down, what I might get motivated to post in or about or bring to mind because if noticing it high up on the list or low down, also seeing what is being neglected or pushed way back, I also have been going to the last pages and trying to get recirculating threads that have not been active for a while, sometimes I post in those but end up taking my writing from there and putting it somewhere else due to not wanting to look like I'm going on my own tangents away from whatever inspired them, since they are relevant and closely related to whatever I've posted under but which may nit be clear to anyone eventually reading. I kind of don't like the appearance of "Temple Of" over and over, and might just make those the names like Khaine, Lolth, Loviatar, Myrkul, Bhaal, Bane, Malar, Talos, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Khorne, Loec, Talona, Zaltec, and whatever else I may want to organize themes under, and possibly little descriptions after the names in the titles and little descriptions added to the first post when I can. Some have the first post so long that the new post length number doesn't allow editing since it exceeds the length and so can not be saved again even without adding any writing, so the titles can't be changed. The writing can go up from 60k to 80, 100, even 500k, and would need to be something allowing fir a lot of length if my tremendous posts and collections are going to be combined into single posts, since I've had to break them apart into multiple sometimes when it tells me that I've exceeded the length, then I go to the middle somewhere or higher and "cut" which also copies the text, and I try again, and if it is still too long, I paste the cut text back and try to cut it from a new spot, and then I post it in the next, as many times as necessary to get down all I've written or collected. The collected elements are usually to provide background for whatever discussion or points I want to make available or bring to mind, but sometimes there is extra bloat that gets attached which might confuse a reader or send them off in a direction I was not trying for, but the more likely result is that those extra materials are too lengthy and cumbersome for people to also read anyway, so they would just get skipped or skimmed.
I may want to try to make my posts look a lot less intimidating by having a [ hide ] type option I can put around large portions of text, links, and videos, so that people can expand and contract them behind a button, which would also make navigating threads easier as well as avoiding reading or scrolling past my writing or collections of text.
As my display picture on the forum, if those become available, I'd use this same one I've now used everywhere that I can connected to this site and this username currently, which is Hathor for a Korean Manghwa called Ennead, about Ancient Egyptian Gods, particularly Set (Seth, Surekh) and the conflict with Horus. I like how Hathor is drawn and their costume elements and adornments, and it kind of reminds me of me and my appearance too and my actual demeanor when not in noticeable pain or distressed by something, which is always very cheerful, pleasant, happy, humorous, curious, mentally stimulated, and positive. The way you've been working on this website has really been very pleasant for me to see after years of constantly being told in so many ways by so many sources how everything is so difficult, pointless, harmful even, like that nothing can be done or will be done or can be reached, total demoralization and a sense if constant loss, failure, criticism, that nothing is done right, that there was a mistake that led to some other problem or delay, it has been maddening and sad also since I'm still joking and chipper and enthusiastic for the most part despite the relentless barrage of bad news as if from Satan directly lol. So seeing you overcome glitchiness, obstacles, and challenges pretty quickly and smoothly really boosts my morale, also that you've been kind enough not to bother me about my writing or collecting and so I've been able to use the forum in a way that has kept my mind stimulated and inspired, by reading your writing from before and mind also, and producing more writing that continues to inspire me and give me lots of ideas and also keeps my mind returning to spiritual themes, even though I might extensively use pop-culture and fiction to bring up concepts I take pretty seriously and consider useful, inspiring, and fulfilling.
I've been navigating through my phone by links that pop up on my phone rather than buttons that appear on the site, except that the link it takes me to often is the sub forum where the Khaine thread is, so then I click on that bar above which takes me back a step to the area with the three sections and then I go into the Ontic-Philosophy area where most of the activity usually is or where there seems to be more for me to look at and do and work on, which is also why all the threads could be moved there or Khaine anyway since I'm mostly there and I don't like the separated out areas to travel to, especially while they are still so lacking in threads or the appearance of activity and I feel bad about how they sometimes feel like they are just sitting there without much movement, since if nothing new appears there or bumps and changes the order, then it is like no movement at all, whereas in a place with any bumping going on, the order of everything changes so it is like everything gets nudged and moved and so appears to have life, even if it was also neglected for a while but was still impacted by the movement. Then sometimes I look at the second page to see what has fallen back there and if I'll bring it back to the top or want to add anything to it.
Generally, I imagine that probably no one at all thinks of forums and text as I do or uses it in the way that I do, but I almost seem to use it as an external mind where I can keep reminding myself of things, and also like how people in the past may have created things as permanent and ongoing activities like depicting something in motion while being able to go away from it and do other things, it is as though that action is still playing out slowly and in a constant way.
So the "circulation" and threads being part of that, which is why I wanted the Khaine thread among the rest of the threads and would be unlikely to create more threads in a less active area or separated out, is to have it added as an ingredient where it keeps ending up shifting and the themes connected to it are brought to my attention variously based on its position, which then may impact the results of what I happen to think to do or come up with.
For cosmetic things, the sites look nice though I'm questioning the blue and how it might appear to me and others, something about the colors may be coming off as unusual or not as professional or competent based on silly expectations and constant hammering in of tropes and stereotypes for what one may expect the colors to be for a serious, living, active website.
This blue everywhere on this main site and the forum do look to me to be potentially more active than when the website first came back and something about the theme and (color) scheme (or lack thereof) made it appear maybe too sterile and detached from real people or activity.
I've noticed a lot of things that are just absurd seeming in how simple and dumb they would seem but still somehow appear to be true, with psychological studies bolstering the sense of validity for these anecdotal stories. So like how a darker color scheme on sites has seemingly brought out the absolute worst in people, and also for whatever reason looks less professional by today's standards, though I have the strongest positive attachments and nostalgia to old computer graphics, like sites with pixelated animated gifs that look like they are from early games, and background wallpapers, and headers or banners with older style looking colored text, all that stuff when I see it brings big doses of nostalgia even though it is also mocked these days. I saw an old fashioned desktop computer screen or two in a film called Gravedancers the other day and I was amazed by the intense nostalgia it filled me with and my happy memories of back when I felt so much more computer savvy and would explore files and folders and edit skins in games that were accessible and could be altered much more easily. I loved the imagination and the filling in of all the blanks that would automatically occur with mentally upscaling old computer graphics and blocky 3d graphics from the past. I loved all the music and the sounds and it would all convert much better than things that are more realistic now. The graphics had to be especially bold so that people could process what they were seeing out of the blockiness and there was already a stylistic prioritization of boldness that was popular in the 80s and 90s, but now the character designs are so subtle and bland or difficult to even process. It is funny that I take this stuff, even stuff I don't like all that much in certain ways, so seriously that I've spent hundreds of dollars intensely studying it and collecting it, like the popular art of Elden Rings even though I think so many of the designs are so unclear and ugly.
I'm very sensitive to visuals and graphic design elements and pay careful attention to all that, it might even be more important to me than it is for many others who seem to be into games and even art, for different reasons and with a different focus, while things like "stats" are meaningless to me, I look t everything fir how it may be stimulating, inspiring, or empowering people, creatively, philosophically, ethically, psychologically and overall spiritually, so to me, every image can be a communication and a dose of something, medicine or juju, and can be processed as divine and a divine or spiritual influence.
Blue has an association with water, and water with a number of things including information and by extension knowledge. Very often Wizards seem to inadvertantly be depicted in bluish colors and water-like colors, including grey and silver which also have connections to the water theme, which connects to the lunar theme too. Though this is how things turned out, if one doesn't fully believe in totally random "chance", then these associations are emerging by the deliberate actions and choices of an "overmind" and intelligence one would believe is running the show, making the associations that keep emerging much more like "signs" that are chosen by a greater power, and thus an authority by might and influence, and with an extra dimension or sense of importance added to these notions. Even without belief in any such power or intelligence deciding such things and bringing them about, it still appears that these linked entities and objects and themes may subconsciously be acknowledged and impact people's thinking, without their even consciously recognizing anything about it, and saying stuff that tends to rub me the wrong way loke "it is just blue", "it is just a movie", which really irritates me, like they want me to be brainless and stupid and just thoughtlessly consume and "don't think about it, it isn't so deep", lol, then why be alive? I despise people who are dumb and try to smother others and snuff out intelligence and dialogue and thinking processes and make people worthless and lobotomized.
So yeah, a library and ways in which people can especially quickly familiarize themselves with terms and ideas and get on the level for discussions with the mighty big lobes might even be a way to attract people to the website, like they could end up finding those information pages and then try out the forum or something.
I wrote this in the updates on the other site, but in case it will get lost over time by being pushed down by further posts and updates,aling retrieval very difficult and a long process, I'll put the writing here:
I wrote some things here as a reply, but fearing that the length might cause it to fail to post from this main site, I highlighted it, pressed cut which copies it also, and took it to the forum to paste it there:
viewtopic.php?p=3166#p3166
So I discuss a lot of things there, first just what I thought I was being asked and trying to describe it clearly, and then going on to other things which can act as clues and be used for ideas.
The thumbnail for the video of the video game "Who's At The Door" is also cool, and looks like the Matrix and gives ideas of Paranoid Fiction, Paranoia, Modernism, The Future, Dystopia, the green of the background and lines of the structures are reminiscent of the symbols scrolling in The Matrix. I point that out since I wonder what sort of impressions this website could give through difference appearances or appearance options. Where would you find it most fun for yourself to go? Which things would end up influencing in certain directions, even narrowing things down too much just by heavy handed and decisive seeming visual cues?
This is what I'm referring to:
I wrote this under it, but updates and update replies don't appear on the forum section yet, so I'm making them available this way, and I'm including them here since it has to do with design and user experience, like how the visuals and movement made the experience very unpleasant for me due to triggering nausea:
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kFoyauextlH replied 14 hours, 10 minutes ago
I haven’t played a game fully since the early 2000s probably, but I like learning about them and hearing about their stories abd studying their art. I think that they are a form of communication that is is influential upon the minds of people and the cultures they reach, so they are pretty important to me, even though it is hard for me to imagine ever having enough patience to go through any of the newer ones since the early 2000s. Everything sort of stops for my personal interaction around then except for reading, but chatting kept drastically reducing, gaming, music, films, and I tend to like things increasingly from before that point, though there is also a lot that came later on that I still like, but it seems like a lot more stuff that I don’t, and a lot more stuff in general too maybe. There seemed to be less stuff abd possibly more good stuff coming through, and now more stuff and more bad stuff coming through, in all the various media, still apparently led by the American Market and companies, though lots of places outsides of the U.S. and people from outside the U.S. get involved, but seem to be, like everything, under the general mindset of following standards set by the U.S. Entertainment Industry, and these games have been increasingly imitating films and play like interactive films as compared to much older games which were really nothing like films or books or tabletop games, but were their own thing, even if they were trying to be something else but were not able to. It reminds me of how this one guy from the U.K. who was making very unique seeming and interesting shows with puppets, never seemed satisfied with that, like he secretly looked down on the puppets and felt he was being looked down upon by his peers in the entertainment industry, and he yearned to have live action success, just like all the others. It reminds me of the story of the Golden Calf/Cow and wanting what the other people had.
It seems a lot of people in the field of making commercials, music videos, and video games want to make feature films, and only respect feature films. People writing for advertisements and articles online seem to have wanted to be writers of fiction at times, and in other cases, perhaps more recently especially, they don’t seem to care about writing and just want to figure out what to do or a way to get money or close to people with money, similar to other social media influencers who try using writing, visual art, photography, music, music videos, and YouTube videos. Sometimes they are actors and entertainers or those who wanted to be, other times, and probably most times, they just want the attention, prestige, and money, and if not all that, just to make a living in a way that may end up being far less tasking and ultimately fruitless seeming than other methods abd prospects.
The psychology that comes through in all media, what is going on with the people making these things, is of a lot of interest to me, and also just how alien people can seem to me, and in what ways I still may be able to relate, but it seems to be getting further and further away, with ethics showcased in media and decisions and decision options in games almost feeling terrifying at times. I hope the pendulum will finally swing back hard to good old fashioned morality and “white knight” stuff again, since I’m pretty tired of the trend of edgelords creating “anti-heroes” that are at this point just straight up villains and criminals, and people are graphically strangling women and doing grotesque things in pretty mainstream franchises like I think I saw some kind of sn*ff simulation thing going on in Farcry. I watch “full game movies” on YouTube to get the stories and study the art and character designs.
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kFoyauextlH replied 12 hours, 32 minutes ago
I watched the full video now, and that had some enjoyable ideas and scares that were inspiring. Horror content is pretty much the central thing that I’ve been watching for 20 years now, increasingly, but also ever since I was younger also, since I liked Ghostbusters and all kinds of monster stuff whenever I could find it, and monstrous characters like Venom and other things made by Todd McFarlane.
One of the issues with this video, games like this, and videos of games like this, is that there is so much detail and so much rapid movement, like when he was repeatedly looking around, that I realized I must have something like motion sensitivity since my eyes were probably focusing and adjusting with all the zipping around and turning and pausing and zipping again that after a while I felt extremely nauseated and sick, lol, and was sweating and had to mainly squint or look away while they were doing that and nothing seemed to be going on. I didn’t miss any of the scares and it seemed to mainly be getting me after all of the good ones had already occurred. Even thinking back to the movement makes me feel a little sick again. I think similar occurs while watching things filmed on old video cameras or even new video or footage from phones where the camera is moving lots and there are micro movements and the eye keeps adjusting or tracking but in trying to hold a position while the camera keeps moving around on the focal point, lol that is a nightmare itself. I think also staring outside trains moving quickly, or when the sun was in between trees on a train or something and it kept flashing light and dark I had to shut my eyes, and also just driving ir being driven rather, down a straight road with lots of trees flashing by, can become pretty sickening too. I think some animals might feel that way potentially too. I recovered extremely quickly after it was over though. I may have also been experiencing something else simultaneously, unless it was somehow connected, since instead of running to go puke, it came out from the other side.
Spoilers ahead for any who haven’t watched the video and care about spoilers:
I liked the tv scare and crawling and the door stuff that occurs when they lose, the window that was briefly opened and closed with a big head looking in, the giant figure in the bathroom, the running person in the apartment who got them the first time they appeared, the twisted person in the kitchen, the person on the wall, the semi transparent person, the hallway exit scenes, the mirror explosion, lol, other stuff as well, like the mascot looking person sitting on the couch, the head in the trash, I remember everything from what I just watched and the only thing I didn’t like maybe was all the repetition and maybe how the game is played, how it runs, I’d probably prefer a game that just has all kinds of scary things but is played more straightforwardly and chronologically, with new areas and an ongoing story without feeling delayed or set back, but I understood that monotony and trapped feeling was part of the whole idea to make the game uncomfortable and unsettling and suspenseful, not knowing what might change or pop up. It is amazing also to realize that my memories of what I saw are connected to exactly what I saw without translation, so the rapidly moving visuals because of how he was moving the camera, and so even thinking about the game makes the sick feelings return, so I can’t even think about it hahaha, which is terrible.
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These comments appear from the most recent to the first reply, but I placed them chronologically here. There are certain things I saw in the way that things are displayed on the main site which were a little confusing or disorienting for me.
Other update replies, which also are potentially useful to the design of this website, like ways in which this person explained how they placed and referred to notes for themselves in order to participate in a discussion might be something that could somehow be implemented onto some part of the site, maybe even a note collection program where one can save and refer to notes on various topics and which can be private or shared, and separate sections for footnotes or extensive quotes, other sections for links on certain topics. I use the forum to do that all in posts to make it accessible to myself and any readers, and would probably continue to do so for that reason, though a separate notes type area could be a really cool feature:
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kFoyauextlH replied 1 day, 13 hours ago
This was a great find, but so soon into the video I start feeling critical by the way people use these terms like “the left”, since there are so many people being categorized like that and who even identify as such who seem very different from others who do. It almost seems like it is just whoever is opposed to the “right”, which similarly has a very broad group of people, and why are they even accepting these terms as they seem next to arbitrary, but anyway, probably in some cases it is just to get things moving faster and ahead to not get bogged down on identities right away, but it immediately indicates to people that assumptions should be made about them which they may wish for but aren’t necessarily accurate. “We are the left, we (alone) are concerned about human rights and human rights violations” “you are on the right, you (alone) operate to benefit corporations and wish harm upon most people, except a small minority” “Yes, I’m on the right! I think that you should get a job and a haircut!”
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I type in the main website link and it leads either to this usual page or there is a menu that lists the various pages which could also be a page /menu or something.
This main link page that I'm typing on now is indieagora.com and it shows ne the orange logo in the corner, a blue bar, a search button, a letter icon for messages, and a notification bell, as well as a drop down menu.
It could just be an icon that leads to the forum and an icon that leads to the streaming added to the top there, it might be the neatest. I think maybe I think of columns or a column with a forum, but it could be a microphone, a head talking, one of those voice projector bullhorn cone things. The streaming site button could be those clapboard things for beginning filming. Otherwise it could just write out on the blue bar in the space at the lower end of it "forum" "streaming" and whatever else, possibly even parts of this main site, like Members, Activity (for the recent activity, especially updates specifically, which I can't read from the forum, so I check to not miss those here since I want to respond to those and also to let you know I am looking at those).
The forum button would take me back to the main forum. The less hidden spaces and nooks and crannies and navigation needed the better. For the forum, the best area for it to link to is whatever page shows the sub forums, though other old websites have at times not had divided areas and everything is listed all at once with threads bumped up making it to the top. A unique gimmick I've never seen on any website could be Thread Avatars, a picture one could upload that appears with their thread. If it just remains how it is, then it would show the three areas and I'd click those, though I'd be fine if everything is made one, though technical website stuff and help can remain separate. I might like at the very least my Boethiah Khaine, not The Temple Of Khaine (TO Kh) to be circulating along with the other Temples I've converted, or if a separate section is made for my threads then any thread that I can control due to my being the first poster and creator of the thread can be moved into one area, though I personally might prefer circulation amongst everything else potentially, since, as weird, silly, and superstitious as it may sound, the more threads shuffle and move, the more meaning I derive from noticing the shifts or where I or you or anyone else has decided to post, what it has moved up or down, what I might get motivated to post in or about or bring to mind because if noticing it high up on the list or low down, also seeing what is being neglected or pushed way back, I also have been going to the last pages and trying to get recirculating threads that have not been active for a while, sometimes I post in those but end up taking my writing from there and putting it somewhere else due to not wanting to look like I'm going on my own tangents away from whatever inspired them, since they are relevant and closely related to whatever I've posted under but which may nit be clear to anyone eventually reading. I kind of don't like the appearance of "Temple Of" over and over, and might just make those the names like Khaine, Lolth, Loviatar, Myrkul, Bhaal, Bane, Malar, Talos, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Khorne, Loec, Talona, Zaltec, and whatever else I may want to organize themes under, and possibly little descriptions after the names in the titles and little descriptions added to the first post when I can. Some have the first post so long that the new post length number doesn't allow editing since it exceeds the length and so can not be saved again even without adding any writing, so the titles can't be changed. The writing can go up from 60k to 80, 100, even 500k, and would need to be something allowing fir a lot of length if my tremendous posts and collections are going to be combined into single posts, since I've had to break them apart into multiple sometimes when it tells me that I've exceeded the length, then I go to the middle somewhere or higher and "cut" which also copies the text, and I try again, and if it is still too long, I paste the cut text back and try to cut it from a new spot, and then I post it in the next, as many times as necessary to get down all I've written or collected. The collected elements are usually to provide background for whatever discussion or points I want to make available or bring to mind, but sometimes there is extra bloat that gets attached which might confuse a reader or send them off in a direction I was not trying for, but the more likely result is that those extra materials are too lengthy and cumbersome for people to also read anyway, so they would just get skipped or skimmed.
I may want to try to make my posts look a lot less intimidating by having a [ hide ] type option I can put around large portions of text, links, and videos, so that people can expand and contract them behind a button, which would also make navigating threads easier as well as avoiding reading or scrolling past my writing or collections of text.
As my display picture on the forum, if those become available, I'd use this same one I've now used everywhere that I can connected to this site and this username currently, which is Hathor for a Korean Manghwa called Ennead, about Ancient Egyptian Gods, particularly Set (Seth, Surekh) and the conflict with Horus. I like how Hathor is drawn and their costume elements and adornments, and it kind of reminds me of me and my appearance too and my actual demeanor when not in noticeable pain or distressed by something, which is always very cheerful, pleasant, happy, humorous, curious, mentally stimulated, and positive. The way you've been working on this website has really been very pleasant for me to see after years of constantly being told in so many ways by so many sources how everything is so difficult, pointless, harmful even, like that nothing can be done or will be done or can be reached, total demoralization and a sense if constant loss, failure, criticism, that nothing is done right, that there was a mistake that led to some other problem or delay, it has been maddening and sad also since I'm still joking and chipper and enthusiastic for the most part despite the relentless barrage of bad news as if from Satan directly lol. So seeing you overcome glitchiness, obstacles, and challenges pretty quickly and smoothly really boosts my morale, also that you've been kind enough not to bother me about my writing or collecting and so I've been able to use the forum in a way that has kept my mind stimulated and inspired, by reading your writing from before and mind also, and producing more writing that continues to inspire me and give me lots of ideas and also keeps my mind returning to spiritual themes, even though I might extensively use pop-culture and fiction to bring up concepts I take pretty seriously and consider useful, inspiring, and fulfilling.
I've been navigating through my phone by links that pop up on my phone rather than buttons that appear on the site, except that the link it takes me to often is the sub forum where the Khaine thread is, so then I click on that bar above which takes me back a step to the area with the three sections and then I go into the Ontic-Philosophy area where most of the activity usually is or where there seems to be more for me to look at and do and work on, which is also why all the threads could be moved there or Khaine anyway since I'm mostly there and I don't like the separated out areas to travel to, especially while they are still so lacking in threads or the appearance of activity and I feel bad about how they sometimes feel like they are just sitting there without much movement, since if nothing new appears there or bumps and changes the order, then it is like no movement at all, whereas in a place with any bumping going on, the order of everything changes so it is like everything gets nudged and moved and so appears to have life, even if it was also neglected for a while but was still impacted by the movement. Then sometimes I look at the second page to see what has fallen back there and if I'll bring it back to the top or want to add anything to it.
Generally, I imagine that probably no one at all thinks of forums and text as I do or uses it in the way that I do, but I almost seem to use it as an external mind where I can keep reminding myself of things, and also like how people in the past may have created things as permanent and ongoing activities like depicting something in motion while being able to go away from it and do other things, it is as though that action is still playing out slowly and in a constant way.
So the "circulation" and threads being part of that, which is why I wanted the Khaine thread among the rest of the threads and would be unlikely to create more threads in a less active area or separated out, is to have it added as an ingredient where it keeps ending up shifting and the themes connected to it are brought to my attention variously based on its position, which then may impact the results of what I happen to think to do or come up with.
For cosmetic things, the sites look nice though I'm questioning the blue and how it might appear to me and others, something about the colors may be coming off as unusual or not as professional or competent based on silly expectations and constant hammering in of tropes and stereotypes for what one may expect the colors to be for a serious, living, active website.
This blue everywhere on this main site and the forum do look to me to be potentially more active than when the website first came back and something about the theme and (color) scheme (or lack thereof) made it appear maybe too sterile and detached from real people or activity.
I've noticed a lot of things that are just absurd seeming in how simple and dumb they would seem but still somehow appear to be true, with psychological studies bolstering the sense of validity for these anecdotal stories. So like how a darker color scheme on sites has seemingly brought out the absolute worst in people, and also for whatever reason looks less professional by today's standards, though I have the strongest positive attachments and nostalgia to old computer graphics, like sites with pixelated animated gifs that look like they are from early games, and background wallpapers, and headers or banners with older style looking colored text, all that stuff when I see it brings big doses of nostalgia even though it is also mocked these days. I saw an old fashioned desktop computer screen or two in a film called Gravedancers the other day and I was amazed by the intense nostalgia it filled me with and my happy memories of back when I felt so much more computer savvy and would explore files and folders and edit skins in games that were accessible and could be altered much more easily. I loved the imagination and the filling in of all the blanks that would automatically occur with mentally upscaling old computer graphics and blocky 3d graphics from the past. I loved all the music and the sounds and it would all convert much better than things that are more realistic now. The graphics had to be especially bold so that people could process what they were seeing out of the blockiness and there was already a stylistic prioritization of boldness that was popular in the 80s and 90s, but now the character designs are so subtle and bland or difficult to even process. It is funny that I take this stuff, even stuff I don't like all that much in certain ways, so seriously that I've spent hundreds of dollars intensely studying it and collecting it, like the popular art of Elden Rings even though I think so many of the designs are so unclear and ugly.
I'm very sensitive to visuals and graphic design elements and pay careful attention to all that, it might even be more important to me than it is for many others who seem to be into games and even art, for different reasons and with a different focus, while things like "stats" are meaningless to me, I look t everything fir how it may be stimulating, inspiring, or empowering people, creatively, philosophically, ethically, psychologically and overall spiritually, so to me, every image can be a communication and a dose of something, medicine or juju, and can be processed as divine and a divine or spiritual influence.
Blue has an association with water, and water with a number of things including information and by extension knowledge. Very often Wizards seem to inadvertantly be depicted in bluish colors and water-like colors, including grey and silver which also have connections to the water theme, which connects to the lunar theme too. Though this is how things turned out, if one doesn't fully believe in totally random "chance", then these associations are emerging by the deliberate actions and choices of an "overmind" and intelligence one would believe is running the show, making the associations that keep emerging much more like "signs" that are chosen by a greater power, and thus an authority by might and influence, and with an extra dimension or sense of importance added to these notions. Even without belief in any such power or intelligence deciding such things and bringing them about, it still appears that these linked entities and objects and themes may subconsciously be acknowledged and impact people's thinking, without their even consciously recognizing anything about it, and saying stuff that tends to rub me the wrong way loke "it is just blue", "it is just a movie", which really irritates me, like they want me to be brainless and stupid and just thoughtlessly consume and "don't think about it, it isn't so deep", lol, then why be alive? I despise people who are dumb and try to smother others and snuff out intelligence and dialogue and thinking processes and make people worthless and lobotomized.
So yeah, a library and ways in which people can especially quickly familiarize themselves with terms and ideas and get on the level for discussions with the mighty big lobes might even be a way to attract people to the website, like they could end up finding those information pages and then try out the forum or something.
I wrote this in the updates on the other site, but in case it will get lost over time by being pushed down by further posts and updates,aling retrieval very difficult and a long process, I'll put the writing here:
I wrote some things here as a reply, but fearing that the length might cause it to fail to post from this main site, I highlighted it, pressed cut which copies it also, and took it to the forum to paste it there:
viewtopic.php?p=3166#p3166
So I discuss a lot of things there, first just what I thought I was being asked and trying to describe it clearly, and then going on to other things which can act as clues and be used for ideas.
The thumbnail for the video of the video game "Who's At The Door" is also cool, and looks like the Matrix and gives ideas of Paranoid Fiction, Paranoia, Modernism, The Future, Dystopia, the green of the background and lines of the structures are reminiscent of the symbols scrolling in The Matrix. I point that out since I wonder what sort of impressions this website could give through difference appearances or appearance options. Where would you find it most fun for yourself to go? Which things would end up influencing in certain directions, even narrowing things down too much just by heavy handed and decisive seeming visual cues?
This is what I'm referring to:
I wrote this under it, but updates and update replies don't appear on the forum section yet, so I'm making them available this way, and I'm including them here since it has to do with design and user experience, like how the visuals and movement made the experience very unpleasant for me due to triggering nausea:
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kFoyauextlH replied 14 hours, 10 minutes ago
I haven’t played a game fully since the early 2000s probably, but I like learning about them and hearing about their stories abd studying their art. I think that they are a form of communication that is is influential upon the minds of people and the cultures they reach, so they are pretty important to me, even though it is hard for me to imagine ever having enough patience to go through any of the newer ones since the early 2000s. Everything sort of stops for my personal interaction around then except for reading, but chatting kept drastically reducing, gaming, music, films, and I tend to like things increasingly from before that point, though there is also a lot that came later on that I still like, but it seems like a lot more stuff that I don’t, and a lot more stuff in general too maybe. There seemed to be less stuff abd possibly more good stuff coming through, and now more stuff and more bad stuff coming through, in all the various media, still apparently led by the American Market and companies, though lots of places outsides of the U.S. and people from outside the U.S. get involved, but seem to be, like everything, under the general mindset of following standards set by the U.S. Entertainment Industry, and these games have been increasingly imitating films and play like interactive films as compared to much older games which were really nothing like films or books or tabletop games, but were their own thing, even if they were trying to be something else but were not able to. It reminds me of how this one guy from the U.K. who was making very unique seeming and interesting shows with puppets, never seemed satisfied with that, like he secretly looked down on the puppets and felt he was being looked down upon by his peers in the entertainment industry, and he yearned to have live action success, just like all the others. It reminds me of the story of the Golden Calf/Cow and wanting what the other people had.
It seems a lot of people in the field of making commercials, music videos, and video games want to make feature films, and only respect feature films. People writing for advertisements and articles online seem to have wanted to be writers of fiction at times, and in other cases, perhaps more recently especially, they don’t seem to care about writing and just want to figure out what to do or a way to get money or close to people with money, similar to other social media influencers who try using writing, visual art, photography, music, music videos, and YouTube videos. Sometimes they are actors and entertainers or those who wanted to be, other times, and probably most times, they just want the attention, prestige, and money, and if not all that, just to make a living in a way that may end up being far less tasking and ultimately fruitless seeming than other methods abd prospects.
The psychology that comes through in all media, what is going on with the people making these things, is of a lot of interest to me, and also just how alien people can seem to me, and in what ways I still may be able to relate, but it seems to be getting further and further away, with ethics showcased in media and decisions and decision options in games almost feeling terrifying at times. I hope the pendulum will finally swing back hard to good old fashioned morality and “white knight” stuff again, since I’m pretty tired of the trend of edgelords creating “anti-heroes” that are at this point just straight up villains and criminals, and people are graphically strangling women and doing grotesque things in pretty mainstream franchises like I think I saw some kind of sn*ff simulation thing going on in Farcry. I watch “full game movies” on YouTube to get the stories and study the art and character designs.
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kFoyauextlH replied 12 hours, 32 minutes ago
I watched the full video now, and that had some enjoyable ideas and scares that were inspiring. Horror content is pretty much the central thing that I’ve been watching for 20 years now, increasingly, but also ever since I was younger also, since I liked Ghostbusters and all kinds of monster stuff whenever I could find it, and monstrous characters like Venom and other things made by Todd McFarlane.
One of the issues with this video, games like this, and videos of games like this, is that there is so much detail and so much rapid movement, like when he was repeatedly looking around, that I realized I must have something like motion sensitivity since my eyes were probably focusing and adjusting with all the zipping around and turning and pausing and zipping again that after a while I felt extremely nauseated and sick, lol, and was sweating and had to mainly squint or look away while they were doing that and nothing seemed to be going on. I didn’t miss any of the scares and it seemed to mainly be getting me after all of the good ones had already occurred. Even thinking back to the movement makes me feel a little sick again. I think similar occurs while watching things filmed on old video cameras or even new video or footage from phones where the camera is moving lots and there are micro movements and the eye keeps adjusting or tracking but in trying to hold a position while the camera keeps moving around on the focal point, lol that is a nightmare itself. I think also staring outside trains moving quickly, or when the sun was in between trees on a train or something and it kept flashing light and dark I had to shut my eyes, and also just driving ir being driven rather, down a straight road with lots of trees flashing by, can become pretty sickening too. I think some animals might feel that way potentially too. I recovered extremely quickly after it was over though. I may have also been experiencing something else simultaneously, unless it was somehow connected, since instead of running to go puke, it came out from the other side.
Spoilers ahead for any who haven’t watched the video and care about spoilers:
I liked the tv scare and crawling and the door stuff that occurs when they lose, the window that was briefly opened and closed with a big head looking in, the giant figure in the bathroom, the running person in the apartment who got them the first time they appeared, the twisted person in the kitchen, the person on the wall, the semi transparent person, the hallway exit scenes, the mirror explosion, lol, other stuff as well, like the mascot looking person sitting on the couch, the head in the trash, I remember everything from what I just watched and the only thing I didn’t like maybe was all the repetition and maybe how the game is played, how it runs, I’d probably prefer a game that just has all kinds of scary things but is played more straightforwardly and chronologically, with new areas and an ongoing story without feeling delayed or set back, but I understood that monotony and trapped feeling was part of the whole idea to make the game uncomfortable and unsettling and suspenseful, not knowing what might change or pop up. It is amazing also to realize that my memories of what I saw are connected to exactly what I saw without translation, so the rapidly moving visuals because of how he was moving the camera, and so even thinking about the game makes the sick feelings return, so I can’t even think about it hahaha, which is terrible.
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These comments appear from the most recent to the first reply, but I placed them chronologically here. There are certain things I saw in the way that things are displayed on the main site which were a little confusing or disorienting for me.
Other update replies, which also are potentially useful to the design of this website, like ways in which this person explained how they placed and referred to notes for themselves in order to participate in a discussion might be something that could somehow be implemented onto some part of the site, maybe even a note collection program where one can save and refer to notes on various topics and which can be private or shared, and separate sections for footnotes or extensive quotes, other sections for links on certain topics. I use the forum to do that all in posts to make it accessible to myself and any readers, and would probably continue to do so for that reason, though a separate notes type area could be a really cool feature:
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kFoyauextlH replied 1 day, 13 hours ago
This was a great find, but so soon into the video I start feeling critical by the way people use these terms like “the left”, since there are so many people being categorized like that and who even identify as such who seem very different from others who do. It almost seems like it is just whoever is opposed to the “right”, which similarly has a very broad group of people, and why are they even accepting these terms as they seem next to arbitrary, but anyway, probably in some cases it is just to get things moving faster and ahead to not get bogged down on identities right away, but it immediately indicates to people that assumptions should be made about them which they may wish for but aren’t necessarily accurate. “We are the left, we (alone) are concerned about human rights and human rights violations” “you are on the right, you (alone) operate to benefit corporations and wish harm upon most people, except a small minority” “Yes, I’m on the right! I think that you should get a job and a haircut!”
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Forum Categories
While you're working on these updates, currently I can't edit any posts, or old posts anyway as far as I've seen since I tried to convert another old thread into a newer one but the option was no longer present, so I'll wait until these new updates go through.
I hope that they don't clip my writing when very long pieces of 60k are combined with other 60k posts since 60k is the current limit.
In order to change one of the titles I had to move part of a post that had been from before the 60k limit to make saving the edit possible.
I do want to be able to change the titles on a lot of my old threads to make them more useful to me currently, so I was pleased with the editing ability. Also if posts are allowed to be very lon, I'd be less likely to need to post one after another anyway which occurs because of typing all kinds of stuff until it becomes longer than 60k, sometimes requiring up to 4 posts or more to save all I've written and collected in one session of doing so, which takes a long time too since I'm reading through amd watching everything I post up to make sure it has to do with what I'm wanting to bring to mind.
I hope that they don't clip my writing when very long pieces of 60k are combined with other 60k posts since 60k is the current limit.
In order to change one of the titles I had to move part of a post that had been from before the 60k limit to make saving the edit possible.
I do want to be able to change the titles on a lot of my old threads to make them more useful to me currently, so I was pleased with the editing ability. Also if posts are allowed to be very lon, I'd be less likely to need to post one after another anyway which occurs because of typing all kinds of stuff until it becomes longer than 60k, sometimes requiring up to 4 posts or more to save all I've written and collected in one session of doing so, which takes a long time too since I'm reading through amd watching everything I post up to make sure it has to do with what I'm wanting to bring to mind.
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Forum Categories
Yes, if you could add that feature I'd definitely use it, even frequently, to feel more secure, thank you very much!