Obama 'Catch and Release'

[atreestump]

When a guy I was debating with saw the stats for Hispanic crime, he then claimed that only illegal immigrants were commiting crimes and being released under the catch and release policy. Also, that 'more immigrants=more crime'. This is what I said:

Do you have any sources to show the magnitude of this problem?

I found these http://econofact.org/are-immigrants-more-likely-to-commit-crimes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911240/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1533-8525.2001.tb01780.x/abstract
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10940-013-9210-5
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1747-7379.2004.tb00191.x/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6688(199822)17:3%3C457::AID-PAM4%3E3.0.CO;2-F/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1747-7379.2004.tb00191.x/abstract
https://www.worldcat.org/title/international-migration-review-imr-a-quarterly-studying-sociological-demographic-economic-historical-and-legislative-aspects-of-human-migration-and-refugees/oclc/889376969
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229
http://www.nber.org/papers/w6067
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X05000104
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002716212438938
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10940-016-9294-9
https://academic.oup.com/aler/article/16/1/220/135207/What-is-the-Contribution-of-Mexican-Immigration-to
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/15/crime-rises-among-second-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/ - this one says second generation immigrants are morelikely to commit crimes.
https://academic.oup.com/socpro/article/56/3/447/1707591/Exploring-the-Connection-between-Immigration-and
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122416635667

All of them say the opposite to what you claim, in fact, these papers give evidence to show immigration makes crime less likely than from those who native born, or who are second generation immigrants.

It doesn't say they never commit crimes, however, but these papers would suggest that immigrants coming to the US are coming here for economic reasons.

For sure, we should look after our own (I am not American) but the problems are more at the top than at the bottom - specifically the neoliberal regime and the amount of money spent on military intervention overseas (something I will get around to in my threads on capitalism).

First generation immigrants are more likely to keep low, for fear of getting caught and sent back to their countries. The problems are economic, poverty and enclosure due to capitalism is the problem. This is why I see Trump's rhetoric as the standard nationalist witch hunt that stirs up patriotic feelings towards outsiders. These tactics usually end in more misery, as the indiginous population demands more laws, which can eventually be turned on them.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/4/obama-reinstates-catch-and-release-policy-illegals/

Obama instated catch and release



That doesn't apply to: Aliens who “pose a threat to national security, border security, or public safety."

Aliens who are “misdemeanants and new immigration violators.”

It only applies to 'Other Immigration Offences'. Those not in the first two categories of high risk, would not be detained and deported, and therefore CBP agents were advised to not waste resources arresting them but rather focus on priority one and priority two offenders.

Illegal migrants only take up 5% of the workforce, around 8,000,000 out of 11,000,000.

Mexican migration has been declining, but non-Mexican immigration increased by about 350,000 around 2014.

[kFoyauextlH]

Which is why I prefer women and especially women whose opinions conform to mine. Guys and debating with guys is just depressing. I tell people what they are to me and what I want from them or with them and otherwise try to turn a situation to my advantage or to use the debate to showcase things I think are important or demonstrative on several levels but would prefer just looking at and creating what I like and enjoy and not fighting with men. If I could, I would change them one way or another, maybe into women, or otherwise wish for their utter demise as they are.

[atreestump]

Thats a great attitude, but it's off topic. ;)


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[kFoyauextlH]

Oops!

[atreestump]

You have been caught and released lol


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[Socrates]

There has been so much hysteria since Trump has come to power, when you look away from the news and actually look at the statistics and research, you can see how both left and right are full of shit.

[kFoyauextlH]

True.

[kFoyauextlH]

They complained that ICE caused some children to cry, which is being broadcast like it is anything comparable to what is being done to children elsewhere by the same who trained ICE in their tactics, and ICE are at least half non-white latin American kinds of people taking it out on their fellows, gleefully, yet still nothing they've done compares to what the other has done and does regularly and has been doing and wants done to everyone worldwide, but they make fuss about crying, which they are apparently allowed to do without losing their jobs like if they talk about the other, far more serious and terrible thing overall, like leaps and bounds and incomparably worse. They complained about being tied up against their will, well the people treated far worse elsewhere by those being funded by American taxes and representatives sending them everything and more, have their limbs tied up until the lack of circulation requires amputations. So, it is hard to care about the monstrous people acting far kinder to others in comparison to what they do to people walled in and unable to escape elsewhere, supported by both and all sides with substantial power.

So many years ago it was mentioned here I think, that both sides are full of it:



They are all the same, and all as bad as can be.