IndieAgora

I would say I\'m still fairly libertarian but also feel that some people lack capacity and that suicide may not be beneficial to them either. Very difficult to draw the line of intervention.

I want to also make all people reading this thread that it is a philosophical discussion/debate about the logic of suicide and is definitely NOT promoting suicide for anyone involved in the topic here or anyone reading it.

If you are having suicidal thoughts or feelings, talk to a doctor or a loved one.

I feel I need to say this due to recent laws in the UK that make promoting suicide online a criminal offence.

Oh yeah, I'll also add that when I'm talking about anything messed up, like this or anything else, and provide any weird or controversial talking points, they don't necessarily represent any genuine sentiments that I have or hold, but are to provide areas to see something written down for one's own thought formation separately, so to see something written out so then a person can see what it looks like and to consider it.

Also, if you wish, you can change the title of this thread to make it less dangerous or obvious to any bots or whatever.

Those censorship things seem very scary to me, like they are collecting all kinds of information on the public and vulnerable people who would be the ones participating with that, in order to watch them and have a whole record that can easy get sold, data breached or hacked, or really just used directly to get people and ruin them over nothing.

The stuff being age restricted, like p**n is usually extreme without people even asking for or looking for anything extreme, so they can collect a whole list of what crazy sounding things have been passed through in order to reveal it and shame anyone, causing marriages to be destroyed, getting people fired, or whatever else.

It seemed to go through without much of a fuss either, when people should have been going crazy about this, but by putting something like p**n as the reasoning, they would make it out like anyone complaining is a p*rv*rt too!

The stuff theoretically and philosophically mused over in this thread may someday at any moment fall under restricted content, and the stuff written here could at any moment become even more provocative, "they wrote down that they wish serial k*llers and violent pr*dators k*ll themselves, and we the g*v*rnment officials and p*lice feel for some reason that such words are threatening towards people who should not harm themselves, as law enforcement has some of the highest rates of self harm, so we've decided to harass and torture people who have publicly expressed any sentiments that get us itching to take out our psychological problems on frustrated sounding members of the public within the jurisdiction of the W Region and Alliance".

Haha, I don't know how I'm going to navigate this Brave New World in the year of Our Ford, 1984.

So my real sentiments are always and perpetually:

1. I wish no one does what I deem wrong in the first place ever.

2. That everyone is pleasant and good and no one ever harms themselves or others or has any feeling to or reason to.

3. That the people who have done wrong stop doing wrong forevermore, and that no one has to worry about them doing wrong ever again.

4. That everyone is so decent, kind, fair, honorable, warm, and loving to all living things, that there is no more need for weapons, no more conflicts, and no more need for these monitoring and restriction things since those exploitative things don't exist because all messed-up-ness has gone away like fertility in Children Of Men did, and the G(overnments) and L(aw enforcement) and M(ilitaries) can all finally cease to be stressed out and become regular people who do regular things which are regularly very good, no longer finding anything inside them that feels any need to be superior to others or imposing things upon anyone. Money also becomes very balanced to the point of somehow becoming a non-factor and non-concern, and everyone is happy and has food and likes one another, but remains ethical, loyal, self-restrained, non cheating in any way amongst themselves or causing anger.

In such an idyllic world, where everywhere can also grow green and beautiful and repair the atmosphere, and pollution fades away in every sense.

If someone decides they want to leave that world, I'd think they must want to leave it because they are not finding in it those things they might have somehow really preferred, but otherwise, I'd think them to be pretty unsettling, and a happy place, which would be everywhere, would have little to no room to even try to approach understanding unhappiness.

We live elsewhere currently, and the function of any people wanting to control others should always solely be to make the world that idyllic, perfectly balanced (or imbalanced in the sense if only being good in the extreme), paradise for all people and lifeforms everywhere in the gentlest way possible, and no one should oppose it, just like how smoothly these restrictions seemed to pass. Anyone who doesn't clearly demonstrate their working in that cause, should not be working in any cause then, as there is only one cause worthy, the pursuit of all the best and no one and nothing left behind from the most excellent existence, one no one would ever sanely dream of leaving.

We could change the theme of this thread, or I could just post in it as if this additional idea is included, and all this is totally hypothetical since I want no one I know to ever harm themselves and I am not s**c*dal or anything, which considering how bad and difficult my circumstances and experiences have repeatedly been, I think people who really seriously end up doing it or being able to are neurologically and psychologically quite extremely different than me, as even without much apparent suffering or physical pain, people have supposedly done it over a fight or less or nothing much that anyone can tell. They've also said that tattoos, which I have none and which seemed a bit extreme to me to have permanent or pretty annoying to change and difficult to remove stuff put permanently on the skin, are a potential indicator of people willing to have more extreme things done to their body and mental illness and self harm stuff, the more being a more obvious sign of willingness to engage in riskier or extreme things, which sounds like a no-brainer but apparently they needed to confirm this through studies for it to be official, like the manufactured famine in G*z* was recently increasingly "confirmed" a while after a lot of skeleton-like children were deemed to be "not just dieting" as Iz officials were suggesting they were.

We live in a world where emotions are not allowed to be had aboit the things Mommy and Daddy G(overnment) want to happen.

They will mercifully offer to some the right to harm themselves and end things, without stopping the horror show, as the show must go on.



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This is a meaningful event. A person could spend a long time trying to figure out this deer situation. Following the deer could be delaying the situation from resolving as it may be afraid of coming out at those opportunities by even being there, but one feels the pressure to also see it through. What happened next, did you end up just leaving and hoping it figures it out? Otherwise creating a big drama trying to help it somehow or to get an animal group that could help involved? Gosh, I'd hate being caught up in things like that, but besides hearing about such occur, I've been involved in scenarios where I have to do more than I really would ever want to in order to help and save animals as I can't let "nature" a.k.a. "random sh*t" not include me and other people often as well.

I'd be bothered if I left the situation unresolved, and bothered if because of me it went wrong even if others did the wrongest parts.

I've been staying at home, frozen in fear about trying to do much of anything, since even the simplest things seem to go wrong or be something that gets a complaint. It isn't the right strategy probably. Today there was a knock on the door and I went running outside and then following some guy for a long time and then giving up after a long uphill following at which point he turned around and walked back the way he had come, he was just walking, and was not whoever failed to deliver a package. The knock had most likely been from someone giving us the note that had been posted outside the entrance, not the delivery person who was nowhere in sight in aby direction.

A dark meditative symbol for me could be this event depicted in the video, what happened to me, and the disturbing idea of being guilty over a deer floating in a canal, which can also be funny, but neither just funny or disturbing, especially if one feels they had some part in all of it and any such outcome.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpability

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(law)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty

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I don't like this stuff being promoted, they are trying to normalize this, make conditions so bad for everyone, then say "off yourselves if you won't play our game", they will extend it to anyone, they will make it so that they will m*rder people this way and claim that they wanted to or chose to. I wouldn't put anything past these monsters, they've shown their true colors and what they are, increasingly openly, whoever trusts them and that these things aren't always going to be weaponized to harm the populace as much as possible are not acknowledging the true insanity of the people who have taken power everywhere.

If Valery Legasov did not commit suicide and record a full disclosure of the corruption and lies of the Soviet State, making his death and the reasons surrounding it impossible for the state to cover up, necessary safety measures for nuclear power plants would never had been started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valery_Legasov?wprov=sfla1

I'm always a bit weirded out and suspicious of publicity efforts. Like even if I saved the world multiple times, I don't think anyone would ever find out, even if I tried to let people know or had lots of evidence, I think it would go nowhere, and once I was gone, no one would be able to promote anything, no matter where in the world I was or had been. So when this occurs, when the spouse is able to organize even some news getting around of a death, especially big news taken on by the state media, and the fact thst even their life had become so public and even somewhat contentious, I start to become suspicious and disenchanted, even disbelieving.

Chern is in the news these days because of this:

https://www.theb1m.com/video/chernobyl- ... by-a-drone

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/worl ... e-war.html

Cool picture.

https://www.ans.org/news/2025-03-13/art ... ne-strike/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernob ... one_strike

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Regarding suicide, I think that the people who do it and are able to do it, often not under all that much apparent duress even, are "wired differently", so that many of the things inhibiting me for example are just not present for them, or at least not as much. I think that they are not average people who do this or pursue this, but are a minority with certain things unavailable or unlocked making it a realistic possibility for them. I am terrified of the unknown, of losing things or abilities, of dying. I have no confidence about what happens like the people who so boldly proclaim there will be nothing for them, which can't be experienced, so you may, no matter how long it takes, be skipped straight to more experiencing one way or another since there would be as much time as possible or needed for any possibility to occur where one might experience again.

That means that given an endless amount of time and opportunities that you don't even have to experience, if there is any chance for a chance to be hit repeatedly so long as it is not once and gone and can't ever be hit again among innumerable possibilities in any way over endless time, that you WILL have the chance hit, and in case and when it does hit, you'll be experiencing again in whatever way it was possible with that chance being hit, without a moment in between from your perspective while not experiencing.

So the confidence people have appears to me to be moronic, and even far too hopeful, since they seem to think they will not be burdened somehow, will be able to experience that lack of burden when they won't be experiencing anything, and what they do experience may be worse if they do experience again anything in any way at any point ever, which they will be skipped to that next experiencing with all the non-experiencing totally skipped because it can't be experienced.

I also think tattoos are mentally ill, no offense if you have them, but I'm curious about the mentality related to them or desiring them.

I hate all things that are very permanent and can't be changed easily, so it makes it seem like people who get or do very permanent things want, at least for the period that they want such or don't mind, to have something stable and lasting, possibly since so little in the way that they experience things seems to be stable. So the body is used as a billboard to ink in or scar in some permanent sign. I might mind less had I thought such things were beautiful, and even more if they seemed perpetually beautiful, but so often they look ugly to me, and as soon as I see them my opinion slightly drops since it is a sign to me of mental issues and people who haven't had, even subconsciously, similar thought processes and calculations.

I bring it up because the word "permanent" is involved in both cases of suicide and tattoos, as well as mental illness, and willingness to do things to your body or have things done to your body, as studies have shown that people willing to mark or mutilate their bodies are more likely to be willing to inflict things ir have things inflicted upon their bodies,like DUH lol, but anyway we need studies for the obvious so that we can say obvious things with violent authority.

Tattoos went from generally being extremely rare to widespread in the Western culture and spreading beyond to Western Culture adopters. What interests me is if these were people who had similar as them existing in the past but who just didn't do it for lack of it being suggested as an option or what exactly?

The truth is also even more extreme, since wherever and whatever types of tattoos existed in the past, as far as anyone can tell they weren't hotdogs. That is to say, the reasons anyone who did get tattoos in the times when they were far more rare, were of a different nature than those getting tattoos now for the most part. So it could be said that no one during the majority of human existence or known history had tattoos of this modern type where people matk themselves permanently with pretty random seeming "slop" and bullsh*t.

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This sort of thing fills me with dread. People with these decisions visible on their flesh also have opinions on other matters, but aren't they extremely stupid and insane? How can you get a tattoo like that and have a wise thought also? It is possible, but am I supposed to ignore something so indicative of being a mad lunatic?

Why is it mad? Well, since most people would have difficulty understanding what it is about or meaning, and why such is being advertised in this way that would bring so much attention to it, one is getting a lot of "bad press", even just in the minds of others, so it is like self-sabotage.

What makes sense to me is everything which may make one get better results. Even superstitious or religious tattoos can make more sense to me because they are justifying it in certain ways potentially, like that they believe it protects them, but something like that tattoo would only limit people and start to potentially impact the kind of interactions they have.

I also have issues with the logic of the "trans" desire to make themselves a target potentially by adopting things that already belong to a deprecated second class, the unfortunate females suppressed due to their physical weakness ultimately and their hormones which might also push them towards strategies where they have to give in more. The desire to externally appear a certain way and be acknowledged as such is so strong that they would basically make their life so much more difficult and in many cases I've seen it said by some that they'll harm themselves or k*ll themselves if they aren't allowed this, which sounds both eye-rollingly obnoxious and bratty, but also flatly illogical and unrelatable.

So many of these issues, these three things that have to do with the body, suicide, tattoos, and trans stuff, seem to have to do with "whites" in the "West" most of all. You have in-depth knowledge and insights on these matters most likely, so you might be able to theorize and elaborate using what you know and have experienced.

To someone like me, it makes me really wonder what is going on, and why "white" people are dominantly seen to be the ones into these things now. Is it something chemical, genetic, societal, spiritual, supernatural, ancestral? Is it some or all or none of these?

Since I view all things as ultimately spiritual in nature, this is interpreted to me as a curse, and I don't view mental issues, particularly those which impact the wellbeing of people or their safety, to be anything particularly positive, but rather malign, an evil striking them, that they should seek a way out of. Interestingly, to me anyway, I don't view other diseases in the same way, like getting cancer or a cold, but have a truly stigmatizing and "blame" filled attitude towards every sort of mental issue. The mental issues may be functioning in the same way as colds and cancer do, just the luck of the draw, it isn't at all their fault that they got these problems, yet because part of it is being so unrelatable and illogical seeming to people who think differently or don't have the same stuff operating inside, the people we view as illogical come off as blameworthy due to seemingly having the same control we think we have, but they might not, and how could they? Another thing that seems to be similar between those getting blamed more is that they appear to deliberately pursue things, like making themselves look "ugly", whereas others may become so because of symptoms of their disease which are organic, rather than inflicted by devices or actions one is doing.

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The face tattoo trend is a growing phenomenon, moving from a taboo to a mainstream form of self-expression, particularly driven by celebrity culture and social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok. While popular, it comes with considerations such as permanent commitment, potential career impact, and the importance of selecting a skilled artist. The trend also includes more subtle forms like cosmetic tattoo blush, which offers a high-maintenance to low-maintenance benefit.
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Ugh!!!!!!!!! I kean it is nice to just clearly see who should be shunned, but the problem is that even however few there are, it seems like too many, and discovering there are so many people like this is disheartening and makes the person who thinks it is crazy the one who feels alienated and shunned. Like how could I ever trust or respect someone who deliberately marked their face with no excuse I find sensible or justifiable!!! This society also HATES me, if they knew what I am and about me, and I despise everything they promote too as Anti-Human, Anti-Beauty, destructive evil.

https://dalgazette.com/opinions/the-ris ... ce-tattoo/

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Gen Z is getting freckles tattooed on their faces to achieve a cute look.
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No no no no no!

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Admiration blinds a person to personal taste. There are celebrities that have them, so people who wish to emulate will do as those people do, even if it’s a bad life choice and poorly done.

There are amazing face tattoos with excellent execution, balance and artistry. There are also whole cultures where face tattoos are a sign of familial belonging and status that are also beautiful. Some face tattoos are gang related, and some are the last step to being totally covered.

I have always believed that someday tattoos will be accepted for their artistry and quality of work and not for where they are on the body, or who’s body it is. (I’m a tattoo artist)
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I think that someone who gives others poison, knowing that it is a bad thing really, is doing an evil thing, even if the poison is a drug and they don't expect them to die.

A person marking bodies permanently with stuff, plastic surgeons approving of unecessary procedures, these are all callous, amoral devils in my view. I would never dare draw permanently on some living person and scar my art into their flesh, the ego involved with such a sick act now normalized is crazy. This whole world has gone nuts! I am an outsider now:



So, one of the things that also interested me about myself is why I prefer certain fictional deities over others, and it appears that it could be that somehow those which I select due to noticing that I prefer things about them is because they fulfill certain fantasy responses I find in myself, like how I might want a movie about someone like Jason Vorhees going after Redditors and people spouting their dumb opinions all over, but Not Me!