I would say I\'m still fairly libertarian but also feel that some people lack capacity and that suicide may not be beneficial to them either. Very difficult to draw the line of intervention.
I want to also make all people reading this thread that it is a philosophical discussion/debate about the logic of suicide and is definitely NOT promoting suicide for anyone involved in the topic here or anyone reading it.
If you are having suicidal thoughts or feelings, talk to a doctor or a loved one.
I feel I need to say this due to recent laws in the UK that make promoting suicide online a criminal offence.
Re: Suicide
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 9:22 pm
by kFoyauextlH
Oh yeah, I'll also add that when I'm talking about anything messed up, like this or anything else, and provide any weird or controversial talking points, they don't necessarily represent any genuine sentiments that I have or hold, but are to provide areas to see something written down for one's own thought formation separately, so to see something written out so then a person can see what it looks like and to consider it.
Also, if you wish, you can change the title of this thread to make it less dangerous or obvious to any bots or whatever.
Those censorship things seem very scary to me, like they are collecting all kinds of information on the public and vulnerable people who would be the ones participating with that, in order to watch them and have a whole record that can easy get sold, data breached or hacked, or really just used directly to get people and ruin them over nothing.
The stuff being age restricted, like p**n is usually extreme without people even asking for or looking for anything extreme, so they can collect a whole list of what crazy sounding things have been passed through in order to reveal it and shame anyone, causing marriages to be destroyed, getting people fired, or whatever else.
It seemed to go through without much of a fuss either, when people should have been going crazy about this, but by putting something like p**n as the reasoning, they would make it out like anyone complaining is a p*rv*rt too!
The stuff theoretically and philosophically mused over in this thread may someday at any moment fall under restricted content, and the stuff written here could at any moment become even more provocative, "they wrote down that they wish serial k*llers and violent pr*dators k*ll themselves, and we the g*v*rnment officials and p*lice feel for some reason that such words are threatening towards people who should not harm themselves, as law enforcement has some of the highest rates of self harm, so we've decided to harass and torture people who have publicly expressed any sentiments that get us itching to take out our psychological problems on frustrated sounding members of the public within the jurisdiction of the W Region and Alliance".
Haha, I don't know how I'm going to navigate this Brave New World in the year of Our Ford, 1984.
So my real sentiments are always and perpetually:
1. I wish no one does what I deem wrong in the first place ever.
2. That everyone is pleasant and good and no one ever harms themselves or others or has any feeling to or reason to.
3. That the people who have done wrong stop doing wrong forevermore, and that no one has to worry about them doing wrong ever again.
4. That everyone is so decent, kind, fair, honorable, warm, and loving to all living things, that there is no more need for weapons, no more conflicts, and no more need for these monitoring and restriction things since those exploitative things don't exist because all messed-up-ness has gone away like fertility in Children Of Men did, and the G(overnments) and L(aw enforcement) and M(ilitaries) can all finally cease to be stressed out and become regular people who do regular things which are regularly very good, no longer finding anything inside them that feels any need to be superior to others or imposing things upon anyone. Money also becomes very balanced to the point of somehow becoming a non-factor and non-concern, and everyone is happy and has food and likes one another, but remains ethical, loyal, self-restrained, non cheating in any way amongst themselves or causing anger.
In such an idyllic world, where everywhere can also grow green and beautiful and repair the atmosphere, and pollution fades away in every sense.
If someone decides they want to leave that world, I'd think they must want to leave it because they are not finding in it those things they might have somehow really preferred, but otherwise, I'd think them to be pretty unsettling, and a happy place, which would be everywhere, would have little to no room to even try to approach understanding unhappiness.
We live elsewhere currently, and the function of any people wanting to control others should always solely be to make the world that idyllic, perfectly balanced (or imbalanced in the sense if only being good in the extreme), paradise for all people and lifeforms everywhere in the gentlest way possible, and no one should oppose it, just like how smoothly these restrictions seemed to pass. Anyone who doesn't clearly demonstrate their working in that cause, should not be working in any cause then, as there is only one cause worthy, the pursuit of all the best and no one and nothing left behind from the most excellent existence, one no one would ever sanely dream of leaving.
We could change the theme of this thread, or I could just post in it as if this additional idea is included, and all this is totally hypothetical since I want no one I know to ever harm themselves and I am not s**c*dal or anything, which considering how bad and difficult my circumstances and experiences have repeatedly been, I think people who really seriously end up doing it or being able to are neurologically and psychologically quite extremely different than me, as even without much apparent suffering or physical pain, people have supposedly done it over a fight or less or nothing much that anyone can tell. They've also said that tattoos, which I have none and which seemed a bit extreme to me to have permanent or pretty annoying to change and difficult to remove stuff put permanently on the skin, are a potential indicator of people willing to have more extreme things done to their body and mental illness and self harm stuff, the more being a more obvious sign of willingness to engage in riskier or extreme things, which sounds like a no-brainer but apparently they needed to confirm this through studies for it to be official, like the manufactured famine in G*z* was recently increasingly "confirmed" a while after a lot of skeleton-like children were deemed to be "not just dieting" as Iz officials were suggesting they were.
We live in a world where emotions are not allowed to be had aboit the things Mommy and Daddy G(overnment) want to happen.
They will mercifully offer to some the right to harm themselves and end things, without stopping the horror show, as the show must go on.
This is a meaningful event. A person could spend a long time trying to figure out this deer situation. Following the deer could be delaying the situation from resolving as it may be afraid of coming out at those opportunities by even being there, but one feels the pressure to also see it through. What happened next, did you end up just leaving and hoping it figures it out? Otherwise creating a big drama trying to help it somehow or to get an animal group that could help involved? Gosh, I'd hate being caught up in things like that, but besides hearing about such occur, I've been involved in scenarios where I have to do more than I really would ever want to in order to help and save animals as I can't let "nature" a.k.a. "random sh*t" not include me and other people often as well.
I'd be bothered if I left the situation unresolved, and bothered if because of me it went wrong even if others did the wrongest parts.
I've been staying at home, frozen in fear about trying to do much of anything, since even the simplest things seem to go wrong or be something that gets a complaint. It isn't the right strategy probably. Today there was a knock on the door and I went running outside and then following some guy for a long time and then giving up after a long uphill following at which point he turned around and walked back the way he had come, he was just walking, and was not whoever failed to deliver a package. The knock had most likely been from someone giving us the note that had been posted outside the entrance, not the delivery person who was nowhere in sight in aby direction.
A dark meditative symbol for me could be this event depicted in the video, what happened to me, and the disturbing idea of being guilty over a deer floating in a canal, which can also be funny, but neither just funny or disturbing, especially if one feels they had some part in all of it and any such outcome.