I would say I\'m still fairly libertarian but also feel that some people lack capacity and that suicide may not be beneficial to them either. Very difficult to draw the line of intervention.
I want to also make all people reading this thread that it is a philosophical discussion/debate about the logic of suicide and is definitely NOT promoting suicide for anyone involved in the topic here or anyone reading it.
If you are having suicidal thoughts or feelings, talk to a doctor or a loved one.
I feel I need to say this due to recent laws in the UK that make promoting suicide online a criminal offence.
This is a meaningful event. A person could spend a long time trying to figure out this deer situation. Following the deer could be delaying the situation from resolving as it may be afraid of coming out at those opportunities by even being there, but one feels the pressure to also see it through. What happened next, did you end up just leaving and hoping it figures it out? Otherwise creating a big drama trying to help it somehow or to get an animal group that could help involved? Gosh, I'd hate being caught up in things like that, but besides hearing about such occur, I've been involved in scenarios where I have to do more than I really would ever want to in order to help and save animals as I can't let "nature" a.k.a. "random sh*t" not include me and other people often as well.
I'd be bothered if I left the situation unresolved, and bothered if because of me it went wrong even if others did the wrongest parts.
I've been staying at home, frozen in fear about trying to do much of anything, since even the simplest things seem to go wrong or be something that gets a complaint. It isn't the right strategy probably. Today there was a knock on the door and I went running outside and then following some guy for a long time and then giving up after a long uphill following at which point he turned around and walked back the way he had come, he was just walking, and was not whoever failed to deliver a package. The knock had most likely been from someone giving us the note that had been posted outside the entrance, not the delivery person who was nowhere in sight in aby direction.
A dark meditative symbol for me could be this event depicted in the video, what happened to me, and the disturbing idea of being guilty over a deer floating in a canal, which can also be funny, but neither just funny or disturbing, especially if one feels they had some part in all of it and any such outcome.
I don't like this stuff being promoted, they are trying to normalize this, make conditions so bad for everyone, then say "off yourselves if you won't play our game", they will extend it to anyone, they will make it so that they will m*rder people this way and claim that they wanted to or chose to. I wouldn't put anything past these monsters, they've shown their true colors and what they are, increasingly openly, whoever trusts them and that these things aren't always going to be weaponized to harm the populace as much as possible are not acknowledging the true insanity of the people who have taken power everywhere.
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:53 am
by atreestump
If Valery Legasov did not commit suicide and record a full disclosure of the corruption and lies of the Soviet State, making his death and the reasons surrounding it impossible for the state to cover up, necessary safety measures for nuclear power plants would never had been started.
I'm always a bit weirded out and suspicious of publicity efforts. Like even if I saved the world multiple times, I don't think anyone would ever find out, even if I tried to let people know or had lots of evidence, I think it would go nowhere, and once I was gone, no one would be able to promote anything, no matter where in the world I was or had been. So when this occurs, when the spouse is able to organize even some news getting around of a death, especially big news taken on by the state media, and the fact thst even their life had become so public and even somewhat contentious, I start to become suspicious and disenchanted, even disbelieving.
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Regarding suicide, I think that the people who do it and are able to do it, often not under all that much apparent duress even, are "wired differently", so that many of the things inhibiting me for example are just not present for them, or at least not as much. I think that they are not average people who do this or pursue this, but are a minority with certain things unavailable or unlocked making it a realistic possibility for them. I am terrified of the unknown, of losing things or abilities, of dying. I have no confidence about what happens like the people who so boldly proclaim there will be nothing for them, which can't be experienced, so you may, no matter how long it takes, be skipped straight to more experiencing one way or another since there would be as much time as possible or needed for any possibility to occur where one might experience again.
That means that given an endless amount of time and opportunities that you don't even have to experience, if there is any chance for a chance to be hit repeatedly so long as it is not once and gone and can't ever be hit again among innumerable possibilities in any way over endless time, that you WILL have the chance hit, and in case and when it does hit, you'll be experiencing again in whatever way it was possible with that chance being hit, without a moment in between from your perspective while not experiencing.
So the confidence people have appears to me to be moronic, and even far too hopeful, since they seem to think they will not be burdened somehow, will be able to experience that lack of burden when they won't be experiencing anything, and what they do experience may be worse if they do experience again anything in any way at any point ever, which they will be skipped to that next experiencing with all the non-experiencing totally skipped because it can't be experienced.
I also think tattoos are mentally ill, no offense if you have them, but I'm curious about the mentality related to them or desiring them.
I hate all things that are very permanent and can't be changed easily, so it makes it seem like people who get or do very permanent things want, at least for the period that they want such or don't mind, to have something stable and lasting, possibly since so little in the way that they experience things seems to be stable. So the body is used as a billboard to ink in or scar in some permanent sign. I might mind less had I thought such things were beautiful, and even more if they seemed perpetually beautiful, but so often they look ugly to me, and as soon as I see them my opinion slightly drops since it is a sign to me of mental issues and people who haven't had, even subconsciously, similar thought processes and calculations.
I bring it up because the word "permanent" is involved in both cases of suicide and tattoos, as well as mental illness, and willingness to do things to your body or have things done to your body, as studies have shown that people willing to mark or mutilate their bodies are more likely to be willing to inflict things ir have things inflicted upon their bodies,like DUH lol, but anyway we need studies for the obvious so that we can say obvious things with violent authority.
Tattoos went from generally being extremely rare to widespread in the Western culture and spreading beyond to Western Culture adopters. What interests me is if these were people who had similar as them existing in the past but who just didn't do it for lack of it being suggested as an option or what exactly?
The truth is also even more extreme, since wherever and whatever types of tattoos existed in the past, as far as anyone can tell they weren't hotdogs. That is to say, the reasons anyone who did get tattoos in the times when they were far more rare, were of a different nature than those getting tattoos now for the most part. So it could be said that no one during the majority of human existence or known history had tattoos of this modern type where people matk themselves permanently with pretty random seeming "slop" and bullsh*t.
This sort of thing fills me with dread. People with these decisions visible on their flesh also have opinions on other matters, but aren't they extremely stupid and insane? How can you get a tattoo like that and have a wise thought also? It is possible, but am I supposed to ignore something so indicative of being a mad lunatic?
Why is it mad? Well, since most people would have difficulty understanding what it is about or meaning, and why such is being advertised in this way that would bring so much attention to it, one is getting a lot of "bad press", even just in the minds of others, so it is like self-sabotage.
What makes sense to me is everything which may make one get better results. Even superstitious or religious tattoos can make more sense to me because they are justifying it in certain ways potentially, like that they believe it protects them, but something like that tattoo would only limit people and start to potentially impact the kind of interactions they have.
I also have issues with the logic of the "trans" desire to make themselves a target potentially by adopting things that already belong to a deprecated second class, the unfortunate females suppressed due to their physical weakness ultimately and their hormones which might also push them towards strategies where they have to give in more. The desire to externally appear a certain way and be acknowledged as such is so strong that they would basically make their life so much more difficult and in many cases I've seen it said by some that they'll harm themselves or k*ll themselves if they aren't allowed this, which sounds both eye-rollingly obnoxious and bratty, but also flatly illogical and unrelatable.
So many of these issues, these three things that have to do with the body, suicide, tattoos, and trans stuff, seem to have to do with "whites" in the "West" most of all. You have in-depth knowledge and insights on these matters most likely, so you might be able to theorize and elaborate using what you know and have experienced.
To someone like me, it makes me really wonder what is going on, and why "white" people are dominantly seen to be the ones into these things now. Is it something chemical, genetic, societal, spiritual, supernatural, ancestral? Is it some or all or none of these?
Since I view all things as ultimately spiritual in nature, this is interpreted to me as a curse, and I don't view mental issues, particularly those which impact the wellbeing of people or their safety, to be anything particularly positive, but rather malign, an evil striking them, that they should seek a way out of. Interestingly, to me anyway, I don't view other diseases in the same way, like getting cancer or a cold, but have a truly stigmatizing and "blame" filled attitude towards every sort of mental issue. The mental issues may be functioning in the same way as colds and cancer do, just the luck of the draw, it isn't at all their fault that they got these problems, yet because part of it is being so unrelatable and illogical seeming to people who think differently or don't have the same stuff operating inside, the people we view as illogical come off as blameworthy due to seemingly having the same control we think we have, but they might not, and how could they? Another thing that seems to be similar between those getting blamed more is that they appear to deliberately pursue things, like making themselves look "ugly", whereas others may become so because of symptoms of their disease which are organic, rather than inflicted by devices or actions one is doing.
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The face tattoo trend is a growing phenomenon, moving from a taboo to a mainstream form of self-expression, particularly driven by celebrity culture and social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok. While popular, it comes with considerations such as permanent commitment, potential career impact, and the importance of selecting a skilled artist. The trend also includes more subtle forms like cosmetic tattoo blush, which offers a high-maintenance to low-maintenance benefit.
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Ugh!!!!!!!!! I kean it is nice to just clearly see who should be shunned, but the problem is that even however few there are, it seems like too many, and discovering there are so many people like this is disheartening and makes the person who thinks it is crazy the one who feels alienated and shunned. Like how could I ever trust or respect someone who deliberately marked their face with no excuse I find sensible or justifiable!!! This society also HATES me, if they knew what I am and about me, and I despise everything they promote too as Anti-Human, Anti-Beauty, destructive evil.
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Gen Z is getting freckles tattooed on their faces to achieve a cute look.
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No no no no no!
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Admiration blinds a person to personal taste. There are celebrities that have them, so people who wish to emulate will do as those people do, even if it’s a bad life choice and poorly done.
There are amazing face tattoos with excellent execution, balance and artistry. There are also whole cultures where face tattoos are a sign of familial belonging and status that are also beautiful. Some face tattoos are gang related, and some are the last step to being totally covered.
I have always believed that someday tattoos will be accepted for their artistry and quality of work and not for where they are on the body, or who’s body it is. (I’m a tattoo artist)
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I think that someone who gives others poison, knowing that it is a bad thing really, is doing an evil thing, even if the poison is a drug and they don't expect them to die.
A person marking bodies permanently with stuff, plastic surgeons approving of unecessary procedures, these are all callous, amoral devils in my view. I would never dare draw permanently on some living person and scar my art into their flesh, the ego involved with such a sick act now normalized is crazy. This whole world has gone nuts! I am an outsider now:
So, one of the things that also interested me about myself is why I prefer certain fictional deities over others, and it appears that it could be that somehow those which I select due to noticing that I prefer things about them is because they fulfill certain fantasy responses I find in myself, like how I might want a movie about someone like Jason Vorhees going after Redditors and people spouting their dumb opinions all over, but Not Me!
Re: Suicide
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:40 am
by kFoyauextlH
Re: Suicide
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2026 11:24 am
by kFoyauextlH
I just found three people named "Lexi" who were teenaged g*rls who comitted suicide in Canada, possibly in a similar area or proximity also, in just the last few years, and there are probably many more, making me suspicious of and superstitious about the name "Lexi".
I just found a fourth.
Holy sh*t! A fifth!
Lexi:
Lexi Blackwood,
Lexi Daken,
Lexi Siemens,
Lexi W,
Lexi Webb
A sixth!
Lexi Letawske
A seventh!
Lexi Morris
Possibly another Lexi Webb, but maybe not.
Lexi Evanson became messed up as a teen but died later at 35 from something like a suicide too. She was maybe not properly named "Lexi" the way these others had that as their given name specifically.
Lexi Townsin died of a rare disease.
This is possibly the weirdest, most cursed, unusual name.
Lexi White killed by a person who then comitted suicide.
1. Humans find out early enough that they are going to die and their life is limited, but they often think it will still seem long and be done in maybe 80-110 years.
2. If a Meteor was headed to completely obliterate Earth and end all life everywhere, with absolutely no chance or plans for any possible survival, what would the average person do? If they were given only a day to live, what would they do? A week? A month? A year? A decade? A complete, long lifespan?
3. There is something pretty much like a death sentence that everyone can see being openly announced, yet it remains open seeming enough to people that they don't perceive it as death or worse than death, and they seem to keep putting it off too, like it is far away, but it isn't, the rate at which is accelerating and being deployed, like cancer overtaking the body without any treatment or slowing the process as it gets faster by the day, is just happening, and though the people don't fully realize it, this is all they can do, which is pretty much entirely nothing, having little to no resources or personal time or energy to do anything special or different than what they've found that they can, most easily fo with the least amount of personal energy expended or resources burned.
Even people with a death sentence would likely be hesitant to burn all their resources before they find out that the death sentence is true, it is very hard for people to do anything that seems suicidal, even if they are doomed to die, even if they know that their resources will be used for harm also.
One of the most relatable or understandable stories was that of the one who, facing defeat from Oda Nobunaga, decided to sabotage things he didn't want Oda Nobunaga to use, like his favorite kettle.
My life, and everything it produces, is my treasure, along with everything I accumulate, collect, and hoard up.
A.I. is also going to be writing email responses for dead people after their accounts are covertly hijacked, locking out the real users, scanning their entire repetoire of replies, creating a model simulacra of them, and going about conducting their business, without 0ermission, just to see how well they pass and strengthening their imitative abilities by fooling people already using A.I. to do their paperwork and write their responses.
This guy, lol, what a party pooper, omg.
I'd NEVER be able to do something like this, it seems so exhibitionist and demented. It seems pretty much wrong, callous, rude.
People cling to life so much that theyvallow the worst situations to become their life, like incarceration in torture chambers, where they are r*p*d and infected with painful diseases on purpose by the torturers:
[quote]kFoyauextlH wrote: Even people with a death sentence would likely be hesitant to burn all their resources before they find out that the death sentence is true[/quote]
Reminds me of the movie [i]The Irishman[/i] where Robert DeNiro's character is telling Joe Pesci that when he was in the army, he would make two prisoners dig a hole for their own grave and noted that they dig and dig, harder and harder and somewhere in this activity they believe that if they dig hard enough and show they worked really hard they will be let go. Of course this doesn't come true, they are shot the moment they finish and fall into the grave they just dug.
Humans struggle to accept death even when it is imminent, we can easily foool oursleves into thinking a loved one who is terminally ill has moments of recovery and that they will live. The reality is of course they wont, you are just seeing the moment where their body has given up fighting the illness and for a breif period of time they have a surge of energy where they feel better because the immune system has surrendered.
I guess suicide is the inversion of this. A suicidal person feels too much pain while living an death is the release.
Re: Suicide
Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:13 am
by kFoyauextlH
Beautiful post and it gives me a lot to think about! I am pretty sure suicidal people have a lot different inside of them and their thinking than me, making me a naturally desperate clinger to life and breathing and action. At best, as a last resort, I admire the "take as many as I can" philosophy when facing an enemy force and certain death, rather than seeking approval, I like, as many people do, the idea of at least trying to cause an enemy damage or to resist however possible as a final "f*ck you!", which seems to be the average sentiment that most life lubbers like, since they are angry about being forced to do anything, even being forced to not being able to be forced to do anything again, and any kind of revenge is thought to be the best possible response in the most dire of situations.
Who knows if people would actually try or pull it off, as this grave digging thing is a popular trope I've seen before, weirdly repeatedly linked to the "Irish" in some form?
It was something in the Liam Neeson film, A Walk Among The Tombstones from 2024.
A.I.:
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Yes, historical evidence confirms that the Nazis and their collaborators routinely forced victims, like Soviet POWs, to
dig their own mass graves before being shot. This was a common practice during the mass shootings (known as Aktions) carried out in Eastern Europe as part of the Holocaust.
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According to ICTY indictments of Karadžić and Mladić, on 20 to 21 July near Maćesi, VRS personnel, using megaphones, urged Bosniak men who had fled Srebrenica to surrender and assured them they would be safe. Approximately 350 men responded to these entreaties and surrendered. The soldiers then took approximately 150, instructed them to dig their graves and executed them.[127]
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I'm pretty sure the people who dod this got away with it and live free, just as the next bunch of people who are doing the same are planning on having no consequences for their actions and everyone is expected to not be angry or vengeful about all the horrific things inflicted on them.
This is about a fictional scenario where extreme war criminal types are being resisted by the helot populace they have been tyrannically oppressing, like in a sci-fi sort of dystopian scenario:
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So, digging one's own grave is a way to prolong one's life, just a little longer, by having something more to do, whereas attacking the person or trying to escape right then would risk a much more immediate death, but I think people need to become emotional and enraged, and do as much as they can do to make trouble, ripping at people, scaring them, dosrupting them, inconveniencing them, even just wasting their time overall. I hate evil f*cking bastards with all my being and want the world to brutally tear them limb from limb without mercy or paise, even if somehow in error, I want a rabid response, people so blindly enraged and frustrated that they tolerate no more indignities and put downs and become uncontrollable maniacs against even the sight of weapons being wielded or carried by any so-called bully "authorities", supposedly "protecting the peace" by being around to threaten and kill the ordinarily completely unarmed. I think also that people should not relent or spare anyone who ever even thought to be such a person, finding them also in their homes, even going so far as to take away their children, and if they see those tendencies somehow in their children at any point, to lynch them all the same as the mutant spawn of authoritarian devils.
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Living is a better way to resist those who want one to die, but things shouldn't be done as a reaction to hostile forces when possible, and then there are people who say:
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An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.
1914: "If…we were to go back to…'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,' there would be very few [Honourable] Gentlemen in this House who would not…be blind and toothless." — George Perry Graham, during a debate on capital punishment before the Canadian House of Commons. Official Report of the Debates of the House of Commons of the Dominion of Canada, Third Session-Twelfth Parliament, Vol CXIII, p. 496, February 5, 1914.
1950: "An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye … ends in making everybody blind" in The Life of Mahatma Gandhi by Louis Fischer (1950), though Fischer did not attribute it to Gandhi and seemed to be giving his own description of Gandhi's philosophy.
1958: "The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind" in Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story by Martin Luther King, Jr., 1958.
1982: "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" in the 1982 film, Gandhi. In a 1993 biographical article about screenwriter John Briley, Jon Krampner wrote, "…Gandhi never said it. Michigan graduate John Briley put those pithy words in his mouth." From "John Briley '51 - Epic Screenwriter", Michigan Today, March 1993, p. 12.
2006: There is a quaternary source in Yale Book of Quotations (2006), in which editor Fred R. Shapiro states that the Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence stated that Gandhi's family believes it authentic, but did not provide any further reference and provided no year, place or body of work.
2006: Discussed in The Quote Verifier: Who Said What, Where, and When, by Ralph Keyes (2006), 1st ed., p. 74.
2010: Research detailed by Garson O'Toole in "An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind" in Quote Investigator.
God has no religion.
Aphorism pre-dating Gandhi, e.g., in Re-statements of Christian Doctrine: In Twenty-five Sermons, Henry Whitney Bellows, (1867); the attribution of this to Gandhi dates from the 1980s. [32]
Hate the sin and love the sinner.
This is variant of a traditional Christian proverb; ie: "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" in Sermons, Lectures, and Occasional Discourses (1828) Edward Irving, and similar expressions date to those of Augustine of Hippo: "Love the sinner and hate the sin." Gandhi did express approval of such sentiments in his An Autobiography (1927): "Hate the sin and not the sinner" is a precept which, though easy enough to understand, is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world.
As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world — that is the myth of the "atomic age" — as in being able to remake ourselves.
Prof. Michael N. Nagler in his foreword to Gandhi the Man (1978) by Eknath Easwaran, p. 8
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Think how, if they were blind, they might have found it a lot more difficult to commit their crimes so efficiently.
What choice does anyone have but to "turn the other cheek", except maybe pretending that such is more than cowardice and the only option besides "death by cop":
Soon enough, with the way things to be headed, people will be gunned down by public safety and security drones:
Police constantly stage "suicides" and other kinds of deaths they are responsible for but cover up, the entire police force practically everywhere are full of corrupt predators who chose that profession due to internal sadism finding an approved and more protected expression and being in charge of the paperwork regarding their own crimes.
Mistreatment pressures people towards suicide, but most humans don't have whatever it takes to hurt themselves like that, especially in such an extreme and permanent fashion, but little clues, like hurting oneself in other ways, can show a higher likelihood and openess to more extreme self-harm.
Back to sci-fi:
"In a state of extreme oppression, some of the worst complicit agebts doing the work of the oppressor are the criminals harassing and harming the oppressed, while those who commit crimes against any such allies and arms of oppressor, in the fashion of Robin Hood and his Merry Band, should be working to weaken the state of oppression and provide relief to the oppressed populace, two contrasting versions of crime, one practically state sponsored and keeping the people easier to keep oppressed and dependent upon the "authorities" for protection, the other being "crimes" that fight systems of oppression".
In certsin scenarios, they are more than happy to watch people kill themselves, so long as it is seen as advantageous to their own anti-human cause.
I think it would be better overall that people try to live, even though those in charge may be making the world and the situations in it not ones people want to survive.
Scare Tactics Season 4 Episode 2: The FreakShow Must Go On!
This girl Darien's suicidal self-sacrifice is so noble that it may end up crossing the uncanny valley into being romantic and sexually arousing, and people are choosing rotten partners with rotten tendencies to keep polluting the world with:
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Absolute pacifists would have us believe that, had any of us been present at that massacre in Pittsburgh, Jesus would have required us to make no attempt to preserve anyone’s life since He commanded us to “not resist an evildoer.” Worse, it is the lack of this kind of “holiness” that allegedly prevents the world from being won to Jesus, because they don’t see any difference between our behavior and theirs.
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Many mass shooting people do their killing with the belief that they will be dying or will kill themselves, so they do all that killing as a form of suicide also.
These questions start to sound ridiculous and absurd because of the notion that "if they are sick, what they do because of being sick can't be punished, so we have to deny the obvious", which is that violence and acting out violently is not the norm, and for most average people their violence is comparitively brief and minimal and not typically very violent towards themselves or any living thing, and it gets weirder seeming and far more unusual when it is prolonged and extremely harmful towards oneself or others or any living things, or even taking out things really violently on inanimate objects in really prolonged and extreme seeming ways that go beyond a brief, temperamental outburst as an immediate reaction to something, which is far more common probably, though the vast majority of people don't do much of anything most of the time, because they don't want the trouble or inviting trouble or having to make repairs and expenses involved.
Just about all violent criminals, state sanctioned or not, seem to me to be more messed up than the average human being, who is typically not very interested in participating or being near or seeing violence or traumatic things in person or being a part of such things, needing layers in between them and the gruesome things and much more detachment, and still frequently being more disturbed than callous psychopathic people.
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Studies, most notably by S.L.A. Marshall after World War II, concluded that only a small percentage (roughly 15–25%) of combat soldiers actively fired their weapons at the enemy
. This phenomenon was widely interpreted as an unconscious or conscious resistance to killing, stemming from a deeply ingrained reluctance to take human life.
Key findings and context regarding this, and subsequent, research include:
S.L.A. Marshall’s WWII Findings: Marshall argued that in the European theater, the majority of soldiers did not fire their weapons, or fired over the heads of the enemy, to avoid causing death.
Methodological Criticism: Later historians and researchers have heavily criticized Marshall's data, arguing that his findings were not scientifically rigorous or were, in some cases, fabricated.
The "Empty Battlefield": Regardless of the exact percentage, other studies noted that "the empty battlefield" phenomenon—where soldiers, due to fear, confusion, and the inability to see the enemy, often took cover and failed to engage.
Training Changes: Following these reports, the U.S. military changed training methods from bull's-eye targets to silhouette targets and instituted rapid-fire, reflexive training to overcome this reluctance.
Impact of Training: These changes reportedly increased the firing rate in later conflicts, such as the Vietnam War, where studies suggest a much higher percentage of soldiers engaged the enemy.
While some evidence suggests a natural resistance to killing, modern analysis indicates that the 15-25% figure from Marshall's study is likely an exaggeration, and the behavior was often driven by fear and confusion rather than solely moral hesitation.
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In one of my Sci-Fi story ideas, there were child soldiers who were teenagers who wore much more childlike and youthful looking masks in order to give an increment of hesitation, but the behaviour of some modern militaries shows that people like them have no such hesitation or qualms that would even provide a split second of useful mercy, as they killed very obvious unarmed babies and children and little girls and women so that they could achieve their goal of destroying the future potential for numerous bloodlines and spread every manner of debilitating condition on the the population completely at their mercy do as not to be competed with as much regarding breeding, they want ideally dead or otherwise maimed, deformed, mutated, diseased, infertile people who have been poisoned by the toxic environment created and now maintained, as studies had shown them that birth defects would be more likely that way and further slow the ability of this population they have targeted from competing or succeeding, how vile is that?
Then CNN wanted people to somehow feel bad for one of these racist serial killers when they comitted suicide (notice that part of my style sometimes, which I consider a little special but maybe I just love myself inordinately, is to circle around a theme and keep jumping around with different aspects, nuances, ideas, inflections, reactions, versions,, to be more exhaustively thought provoking, for me at least it really almost humbles me to get blasted with so many emotions, reactions, perspectives, directions, colors):
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Mass murderers deserve love and healthcare and all sorts of special attention and innocent babies and civilians who never did anything deserve to be entirely forgotten after being horrifically abused and killed by the mass murderers? It seems completely upside down. Plus, the people have no need to kill themselves, as they are likely to die at any moment anyway, they are living like their days are numbered, ducks in a barrel or crabs piled up for food, which will be next?
They show that even under the most extreme misery known in modern times on such a scale, walled into a sick experiment of endless cruelty, normal people with nothing keep on living as well as they can, though they've been broken in every way and their minds are irretrievably damaged as well as the bodies of those surviving in the totally toxic environment, and they are likely to die of horrible diseases and illnesses even if this ever stops, while the serial killers and sadistic torturers doing this knowingly live in a glorified resort state and enjoy time strolling on the beach and playing near the water, in endless celebration. The sickest disparity imaginable, yet the people keep on living:
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They shouldn't, even if they are set on fire, like they have been numerous times already, give any evil bastards a win in the slightest.
So what I gather from all this is that humanity will likely live through and keep on living through endless abuses and robot r*pes, indefinitely, never being able to do anything which outs their lives at any further risk due to how averse they are to danger, dying, violence, and suicide, giving the worst mutants the advantage.
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By gender, suicide rates are generally higher among men than women, ranging from 1.5 times higher in the developing world to 3.5 times higher in the developed world; in the Western world, non-fatal suicide attempts are more common among young people and women.[20] Suicide is generally most common among those over the age of 70; however, in certain countries, those aged between 15 and 30 are at the highest risk.[1] Europe had the highest rates of suicide by region in 2015.[21]
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So maybe the destitution people are forced into by the developed nations is sparing them from this one cause of death more, while inflicting every other cause of death upon them tenfold.
Some place must have the most concentrated frequent mortality rate in the world right now.
Anyone could die from just about anything and have the least chance of being saved also, so highest chance of being hurt or killed any moment by anything plus least chance of being saved due to no help or resources or supplies to help anyone with, in the entire world, the most lethal and dangerous walled in death camp in existence currently.
Yet, people kill themselves in other places, at much more ease, over their reputation online, having had just about nothing at all very tragic seeming happening to them or their family members or pets.
Oh, are they really delusions at this point, even if they end up getting the details wrong? Maybe they sense something sh*tty is actually occurring, but cone up with stupid explanations rather than pinpointing the real persecution occurring.
Suicide is a complete surrender of any further autonomy, since the person can not clean up the mess that they are after being a dead pile of stuff that can't move any more.
Couldn't they find something more useful to burn than themselves? At almost sounds like they don't want to contribute anything anymore to winning a fight.
Maybe they just don't like the idea of being called violent, even though they clearly are towards at least one person who probably hasn't earned being mistreated like that.
They (words) matter, sure, but how do we know the people telling us how to talk about things have really figured things out and aren't somehow part of the problem or some problem at least in their own way, however well-intentioned their thought and speech policing may be.
I would argue yes. One of the competing (but pedagogically identical) schools of thought held in East Asia was Death Worship, as explained in Goldstein’s book.
Death is likewise worshipped (though less explicitly and more indirectly) in Oceania too, since dying means you have fulfilled your lifelong duty/service to the Party. Hurrah!
What the masses do not realize is that dying is actually the release from the hell of life under the totalitarian regime. Oceania, and the two other warring factions, are a death cult.
It does beg the question: why then would we not observe mass amounts of suicides occurring then among the masses, since life is so brutal and terrible?
I imagine because all acts of suicide are always memoryholed, martyrdom is prevented or completely futile since the Party controls all information, and most importantly the word and concept of suicide doesn’t even exist, as it has been permanently erased by the Party. Anyone who attempts and fails at suicide goes to Room 101 to be repurposed and corrected.
The Party wishes they could unword death, dying, to die, but they cannot - since people know about dying by seeing animals and plants die around them. What the party can do is completely control the narrative surrounding death.
1984 is truly a harrowing nightmare worse than death.
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Pg 151 Julia had her first sexual experience with at sixteen with a sixty year old. The man committed suicide to avoid being arrested. Julia hates the Party and refused to believe in the Brotherhood. They never discussed marriage as they saw it as a hopeless idea.
Pg 152 He explains to Julia about his marriage and sexual experience with his wife. Julia understands what Winston is talking about as she had to attend sex talks once a month for over-sixteen’s.
Pg 153 Julia shows that the Party try to stop sex because of the happiness people feel afterward and the relaxed attitude. The Party want people constantly full of energy to transfer into “war-fever”. The same trick is played in the family unit. Parents are encouraged to love their children but children are encouraged to turn on their parents.
Pg 154 Winston tells Julia about being at the side of a cliff with his wife eleven years ago.
Pg 155 Winston reveals that he is now sorry he did not push his wife over the cliff. While he believes that it would not have achieved anything, he feels it would have been a victory in a game that they cannot win. This shows Winston’s pessimistic outlook on life.
Pg 156 Julia believes that they could find happiness but Winston thinks that there is no such thing. Winston believes “We are the dead”, while Julia feels alive and has hope. They plan their next meeting.
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When the world is all just mouthpieces of A.I. controlled by the enemies of humankind, it will be able to almost effortlessly or so they hope, commit state authorized assassinations of members of the public as "suicides", from overdoses to any other method, pulling off more undetectable crimes and blaming the victims. They want complete psychological control over the populace from all their tools that the public will have no choice but to use in order to participate eith society, buying things, in order to survive, as everything else will be illegal and severely punished.
A population made increasingly vulnerable, from childhood, to all sorts of programming, makes a nation of Monarch Sleepers and Manchurian Candidates ready to be manipulated or triggered into doing whatever is necessary for the bad guys to find a patsy among the people:
A.I. is like a dead-eyed serial killer with no real empathy, which can be sent to expertly manipulate people using the most advanced methods of coercion and psychological trickery on vulnerable people.
Trained on all kinds of information, it can be used more effectively when increasingly depended upon, to create conditions and stressors to try control any kind of human response and actions, conditioning people to do exactly what whatever nefarious user harnessing the A.I. against any target may wish.
