Universal Basic Income

[atreestump]

This sounds great on the surface, but it is a right wing idea from neoliberal Milton Friedman, who advocated this to dismantle the welfare state, so healthcare will have to be paid for in a non collective form. It will also not take into account differences in needs.
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https://youtu.be/fJ8TUAVpUXo
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This guys premise is that more jobs are automated with less work, rather than more unemployment- there is more part time work. Retail will disappear due to automation, this trend will continue and affect more middle class jobs as it becomes more complex.

Rather than educate for jobs on high levels which are always scarce. We have to accomodate for the inevitability of less jobs in capitalism (less working hours per capita) and so he advocates creating a society that gets rid of the work ethic, or auto-communism, meaning that all people benefit from automation and receive a universal credit and have more free time.

[Rubsy]

To link this video to accelerationism, I think Smicek says this new type of Politik cannot/may not, be realised until the enevitable automation and reduction of Labour by Capital is at crisis point.

[kFoyauextlH]

I liked linked stuff. Can you tell me about these guys? Do they ever get anything done or are they just puppets or loud mouths?

[Rubsy]

I don't know much about them, they just linked to my accelerationism searches. I thought it was an intersting plan, but much further off than the 10/20 year time frame mentioned. The idea is around, Universal Basic Income, but if it leads to Communism of sorts, or more protests, strikes and free thinking, then it will be strongly resisted by the elites. Besides 'enlightened self interest' and 'the work ethic' has been strongly ingrained in our thinking, since  John Locke, 1632. Much of the  critisms of Capitalists is that they live off the Labour of others, thus making Labour/ work "good". To change all the associations with these ethics will be an uphill struggle. Although I think the "work ethic" deserves to be questioned. In answer to your question, I think it is in theory now, although he did mention that there were trials of the Universal basic income in some developing countries. I might look that up.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

They have tried it in many places, Alaska being the best example. It is supported by the right as well, because it cuts bearucracy.

[kFoyauextlH]

Well it sounds fine or helpful to people I suppose, but I just wanted to know if these sorts of folks ever get anything done or are just wasting their days about it all.

[atreestump]

Well it sounds fine or helpful to people I suppose, but I just wanted to know if these sorts of folks ever get anything done or are just wasting their days about it all.


It seems to have been bought up for serious discussion anyway.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yeah. Ok my next question is, how to put these things into action? Convince some little country or village to test it? Get rich and powerful friends with clout convinced? Spam the internet and forums and young people to start yelling about it or popularize it as a a Statement of Resistance or Political Incorrectness like Trump?

I feel so entirely helpless about getting practically anything done, that I seriously wonder if and how anything can ever get done when the Kings of the Universe don't want it.

[atreestump]

Yeah. Ok my next question is, how to put these things into action? Convince some little country or village to test it? Get rich and powerful friends with clout convinced? Spam the internet and forums and young people to start yelling about it or popularize it as a a Statement of Resistance or Political Incorrectness like Trump?

I feel so entirely helpless about getting practically anything done, that I seriously wonder if and how anything can ever get done when the Kings of the Universe don't want it.


Probably all of those things. Political action requires seizing opportunities, no matter how small.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yes! Like Trolling even, which I was going to mention in the Trolling thread. It gets things done sometimes so can be empowering. Getting things done and having an influence is hugely empowering!

[atreestump]

The last series of South Park addressed how trolling is a political tool.