Diabolism Infernalism Baphometism Saracenism Islam Prime Evil | Medieval and later

[kFoyauextlH]

I just spent the last few hours writing this extremely long and thorough and beautiful article going on for pages. Then the browser refreshed by itself and I lost every world of it after it whispered in my ear that such would happen.

It was so good and only I saw it and read it. The feeling is so much pain and anger and to say I will never post again ever. I am near tears.

​​​​​​It demonstrates the idea that it is all just for me. I wrote sooo much good stuff, had quotes and video and it was so thorough.

This is just pure torture. I clicked back and forward nothing was retrieved. F*ck this is infuriating. All that is left is the quote I was going to end it with which is all you are supposed to get apparently.

 See ye not how Allah hath made serviceable unto you whatsoever is in the skies and whatsoever is in the earth and hath loaded you with His favours both without and within? Yet of mankind is he who disputeth concerning Allah, without knowledge or guidance or a scripture giving light.

Ha. God damnit.

Here is something I wrote which contains similar information as the original plus perhaps more as well:
Lucifer is a Latin term that was used of the Morning Star and Hesperus was the word for the Evening Star I think, both the morning and evening stars are the planet Venus but the Ancient people didn't know about planets the way we do and instead just knew about various heavenly lights. They had the fixed stars which were called fixed because they seemed to move all together in sets while the planets were able to move about or changing their positions. They appeared to be able to move at different rates or speeds, and much of the mythology related to each was based on their movements, shapes, or events or periods in the year which they were related to or coincided with.

Much lore to do with angels and spirits and Gods even myths about giants and knights and many stories have to do with the stars. Even Nimrod for example could be a reference to the constellation of Orion and other stars were called Nephila like the Nephilim.

Angels or Watchers were also strongly associated with stars.

The morning and evening stars were the brightest light in the dark sky and were often associated with leadership for that reason, the brightest or biggest being likened to a leader who stands out amongst the rest.

Most star lore comes from the Near East, particularly influenced by Babylon and that region and influenced a lot of areas including Greek stuff. Prior to that the Indo-Europeans also had certain ideas which were influential and many were related to stars as well but the Chaldeans and Babylonians and Mesopotamians and Near Eastern people were the most influential in this regard, an influence which carried into Phoenicia, Greece, and through Persia and among the Arabs and Muslims who were their successors. Even our system of calendar associations and planetary days of the week are all connected. 1 Sun Day, 2 Moon Day, 3 Mars Day, 4 Mercury Day, 5 Jupiter Day, 6 Venus Day, 7 Saturn Day though numbering the week starting from the Sun may not have always been the tradition depending on the regions, the days were valued differently.

Thors Day has to do with Thunder, which is the meaning of the word Thor and so was associated with Zeus or Jupiter who was known to hurl thunder and be accompanied or associated with flashing light, anger and beneficence in that the thunder and lightning heralded the bountiful rain.

Typically in the Ancient system the Sun, Moon, and Venus were the three major lights in the sky for the Ancient people and were often considered three major leaders for their prominence, and often alternating in authority based on the culture, with the planet Venus often taking leadership positions either permanently or temporarily.

For the South Arabians who had largely retained a very ancient form of Astro-Theology, the Morning Star, called Attar, represented the symbol of the Chief and Supreme Leader or Chief Power or God, even if the star was just considered a symbol for that due to its association with prominence as the brightest in the sky.

Saturn, which for the Greeks was Kronos and Associated with Nature and later Time due to the similarity with the word Chronos but also many other reasons such as its appearance of moving slowly in the sky and association with the harvesting times and thus the sickle and divisions of the year, meant "splitter" or divider in the case of the Greek term and referred to farming and cultivation as Saturn in the Roman world also associated with farming tools such as the sickle and other devices for splitting and planting seeds. The Greeks associated Saturn with El or Allah, the Over All God of the Semitic Language Families who in many ways was considered the source and origin of All the powers, not dissimilar to Kronos as "Eating All the Gods".

Allah has long been known by the epithet of Divider of the Heavens and the Earth, which can now be associated with the Big Bang theory, but in the past was thought to generally refer to the sky being moved apart from the Earth allowing the Earth to become a habitat suitable for life. This is also a real event in scientific terms as the Earth's atmosphere laid closely upon the Earth before becoming how it is now. In the Ancient Myths of Greece attributed to Hesiod which are thought to stem from the Near East and Anatolia, it was Kronos who split the Sky Uranus or Varuna in the Sanskrit, from the Earth and stopped its period symbolized as mating and producing phenomenon. By cutting off the generative powers of Uranus, known as Anu to some, which was symbolized by the phallus or penis for its association with mating and generation through childbirth, Kronos now held the Rod or Scepter of Power to Generate. This Golden Phallus Rod Scepter theme appears in Egypt as well in the story of Osiris whose Phallus was severed by Set who was associated with the God of the Semitic peoples, Allah or El, and separating Osiris from the Throne, which is the meaning of the word Isis.

Allah had "72 Accomplices" in the story, and these are known as the 72 Stars of Malign Influence by some, but otherwise are the 70 or 72 Children of Asherah (Straight Ordering), the 72 Names or Glories of Allah, which were raised to 81 and then 99 later, and the 72 Angels and Demons.

They are basically a reference to the 72 attributes or extensions or activities or domains of the Supreme King. These were thought to dominate and influence the 72 Nations and Tribes mentioned in the Bible as well.

The signifigance of 72 is also associated with the 360 degrees of the circle of the Heavens and the Earth when people rotate around, and the 365 days of the year.

In any case, Dominion or Isis replaced the Phallus of Osiris, thus returning generative power to the World, and from the Underworld, Osiris became what is called a Cthonic Deity, associated with the deep Earth and generation of vegetation and plant life as well as himan generation, regeneration, and especially rebirth and ressurection.

Egypt had a variety of religious beliefs belonging to different regions, which eventually became dominated largely by the religion of Amun and Amun-Ra. Amun meant Hidden and was thought to be the purest form of God, the King of the Netjer or Powers both natural and conceptual. Ra was attached to Amun as the preferred description of God by some other regions, and so Amun-Ra came to mean the Hidden and Manifest or the Hidden who is Manifest and Makes Manifest or Visible. Atum, representing the generative powers, was also associated sometimes in longer combinations.

Lucifer for the Semitic speaking people was an important attribute of Allah, but later came to be associated in some cultures as a powerful and beloved close associate with Allah. This idea was shunned by the Qur'an and the Semitic trends which becamde dominant eventually and gravitated towards monotheism. Lucifer became a rightful term for Allah alone as the Bearer of Light which was associated with both the creation of literal light with such statements as the famous Biblical "Let there be Light" and Light in the sense of Knowledge or making one able to see, as light does, whereas people in darkness stumble and trip over things and even hurt themselves unwittingly, so was associated with Darkness.

Lucifer or associations with the Morning Star were thought to be associated with Kingship even by the Persians and so Kings mentioned in the Bible were sometimes associated with the term, including Jesus the heir of King David.

Christian folklore popularized the idea of Lucifer as a "false light" of prime paganism, and connected the term finally with Satan, the enemy spirit who had already taken on features of Ahriman or Angra Mainyu during the Jewish stay under the Persians when much literature was written and reformatted.

Knowing all these things can help to giveva clearer picture of what is going on.

I explained all that because for me these things are not imagined as cartoons the way people tend to take things as literallyvas possible which is a Protestant tendency finding its most extreme form in the absolute literal materialism of The Chirch of Latter Day Saints known as Mormonism and modern thinking and Science as well as Scientology in what is considered the Western-Most part of the World.

The Medieval people somehow were familar with or guessed correctly the Near Eastern or Saracen admiration for the Morning Star which was a prominent part of the Arab past but was literally still in operation as a reference to God or Allah as the Light Bearer, El-Noor, translated as The Light or God The (One and Only True and Truest) Light.

The Qur'an was likely considered by some medieval people the prime work and achievement of Satan or Lucifer, who had misled the people away from accepting Jesus as the son of God.

The accusation made of The Templars, was largely that they had become enamored by the Saracen, known as the Paynim (Pagan) foe, and were now worshipping Baphomet, which is the Occitan (Old French) way of saying Muhammed or Mahomet.

Associated with the Muhammedans was the adoration of cats, which was an old Egyptian tradition anyway, and the idea that a spiritual power was thought to be received as coming from or emanating from Muhammed and his descendants, an idea most prominent among the Shia or Shi'ite Muslims, from whom the Esoteric sect of the Nizari Isma'ili descended (The Assassins), who at times worked closely with the Templars and were also often fighting the Sunni Muslims.

The accusations against the Templars had everything to do with stereotypes regarding Muslims and Muslim blasphemies, some of which may have been true in at least some ways.

The cultures of the East were often thought to be homosexual, possibly due to a tolerance towards pederastry like in Ancient Greece but also other visible cultural acts such as men holding each others hands and kissing on the lips which even US presidents have had to do while dealing with Arabs to this day. In their bid for political relations in the Middle East, it is not unlikely that the Templars may have had to adopt some of these customs in order to better negotiate and deal with the Arabs and Persians.

The Religion of Magic Associated with or Attributed to Solomon and the spirits, jinn, or demons said to be under his dominion and working for him, was implied even in the Bible to be Universalist (which is why FreeMasons who associate themselves with Templars and the Temple of Solomon are also considered or consider themselves Universalists who try to synthesize and subsume all religions into their own, a tendency somewhat seen before them among the Cosmopolitan Muslims and even before them among the Greeks and Romans and Gnostics to some degree, as well as the Persians and Mesopotamians).

All this leads back to the very Ancient Phoenician (Canaanite, Ugaritic, Lebanese Arab North Israelite) attitude that God or Allah was and is the King of all things. The Phoenicians were major world traders like the Syrian Merchant Jews and the Muslims after them, and spread international ideas across much of the known world through trade, bringing far flung ideas from various cultures to different areas and adopting them as well, like spreading around the Sphinx, which in many ways as a hybrid even became the representation of hybrid mysticism and the International World Order or Religion in a mystic sense, whose other symbols are the Tower of Babel, again specifying Babylon or Bahbeh Ulh meaning Gate(way) or Door(way) of Allah. Thought to rule over all the tribes and nations and languages of the world and appearing in different "glories" (names/fames) or honored by different names but being ultimately One, Indivisible, like the Tower itself gathering all the nations.

Solomon was accused by Jewish literature for falling to paganism by recognizing other religions or attributes and building in their honor to please his international harem of wives. Thus, the new King of the World, Solomon who was handed all the wealth and power from the King David his father the Judge (The Number for David can be 3 and Solomon is 4, Adam can be 2 and God is 1, the Ancient people did not have a concept for Zero originally which became another important God number, leading also to 10 as a God reference and 100. The Jewish lineage of major divine Kings is generally 1 The God, who divided into 2 the Creation whose King is Viceroy Adam "Given Dominion over all the creation" the word means Man(kind). The next is David who establishes the House of David, a Dynasty. Abraham and Moses are extremely important figures but not exactly considered Kings the way Adam was handed Dominion as recorded in Genesis and the Qur'an and other literature. David was the major King and as Judge the symbol is the triangle of binding and balance, Order, the rule of law. Adam also split in two, being both male and female then dividing into male and female or creature and mate. The word Eve from Hawa means Life, and furthermore old Mesopotamian and Near Eastern stories associate certain words with the rib as well, sometimes due to similarities in words so one can study things like that related to the notion of Eve. So the first symbol is a single line. The next is a second line attached to it or stemming from its corner but changing angle. The next is a third line creating a triangle and the first closing or determination, the 4th is 4 lines making a square as a plain or field or domain or territory which is the square of Solomon, also associated with the sun, the 4 directions, the 4 corners of the Earth, the swastika and many other symbols. This is for the "Whole World" or the whole plane of reality. Next is the 5, a number often associated with Venus due to its rose shaped movements tracked winding around the Earth and so its symbol has been since Ancient times in Babylon as well as other places the symbol has been the pentacle, long associated with Magic as well and winding about the Earth or Mundus in a weaving pattern. This is the symbol of Lucifer and since it surrounds and weaves and approaches and recedes it has been considered unstable or unpredictable and dangerous, even like a serpent, even like binding rings, the triangle as the binder but this being 5 triangles or 5 binds. The "God of this World" or "Spirit of Mundus" or "God the Governor". Half of ten so in some ways the "Lesser Imitation" of the Whole.)

Some food for thought typed out for you to enjoy and ponder on.

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All I can recommend is you write REALLY long posts in another application away from a web browser editor that is never 100% guaranteed to be reliable and then copy and paste it.

My other recommendation is to try and keep your posts shorter.

I will turn the autosave on, but I think it may lag.

[kFoyauextlH]

Nah, just do what is best for the website. You can leave it off. All that I wrote for hours didn't lag andI won't be around much probably anyway so no need to accomodate for me.

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I'm going to remove the last part of the title so it says ' Diabolism Infernalism Baphometism Saracenism Islam Prime Evil in Medieval and later'

[kFoyauextlH]

Great sure. Barely matters. I wouldn't dare to try it again anyway. Yeah clean it up all you want and my posts and whatever.

[Rubsy]

Where would your general interest in Islam and Medievalism lye ? I must admit that I only have a general idea of the transmission of thought from one culture to another through the crusades. That Plato was rediscovered in this way.
The bearded pots of the Medieval pot documentary maybe a representation of Muslims. The Christian face was clean shaven. Or they may be a representation of wild men. The history of what it meant to pull your beard is lost. Although this is a small detail I found it interesting to try to get into the Medieval mind. What did the Christians think of the Muslims and vise versa ? I find it telling how they judged each other superficially. Muslims that pretended to be Christians shaved their faces and put slaughtered  pigs on the decks of their ships in the Medieval period.  The terrorist in 911 went to the bar and drank liquor to avoid suspicion.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yeah. The wild men or woses and the Green Knight and things connected more closely to nature were sometimes depicted as Saracens or with indicators that they were thought of as Saracens, also in many cases Saracens were depicted as giants or titans and like Goliath. I had written a great deal of cool stuff, thank you for asking.

My interest is more in how the medieval descriptions can be turned to refer to real facets of Islam and Semitic and world religion or Paganism that lay rather hidden or unmentioned.

I had systematically listed numerous examples and then quotes and even some fun video and articles and thorough explanations and reasoning and speeches.

The Europeans and Christians tended to depict Islam as the prime form of the religion of the Devil which even witches and warlocks were sometimes said to be under some degree of its influence. The Qur'an was considered a dangerous text of evil magical deception which wizards and magicians and sorcerers mightmight hide among their secret possessions.

I explained how these ideas were actually in many ways supported by the Qur'an even though they were written likely by people not familiar with Islam as efforts to detract from it as people do today.

[Rubsy]

I also think Persian culture was distinct from Arab culture, for example the law of non representation was not strictly obeyed when they wove flowers and animal forms into their carpets.  The fact that they had a long tradition of art and craft made it difficult to adhere to the strictness of Islam in this regard.

[kFoyauextlH]

Yeah they are distinct and Persian stuff had more impact on Islam than Arab stuff. Arab stuff or Akkadian language stuff is a great way to understand Islam and Judaism and Canaanite and Babylonian religion. In my survey of the Qur'an, it has some elements which may be deemed persian but is much more Arabian and South Arabian than it is Persian, and its Persian influence comes after it conquers Persia and becomes the new Persian Empire and former Persian territory becomes its dominant theological think tank and produces the Hadiths which basically carry on Persian cultural tradition as well as that of the jewish people who had been living in the area and were also heavily influenced.

As Islam grew further away from its Semitic roots of lamentation theology, it gained an Indo-European edge with a Messianic Zoroastrian style hope which has become increasingly popular as well in recent times. Zoroastrianism and Buddhism were some of the first Messianic religions, carrying an underlying philosophy of a fight against evil and the spreading of good and creation of order and regularity which put its hope into culminating figures or Kings or certain beings or God-Men or gurus to lead the way who were blessed and enlightened. These figures differed from the descriptions of the practically possessed mouth pieces of God in Semitic theology and Messianism became part of Judaism and Christianity and finally Islam starting under Persian influence due to a long tradition where Messianism and the Ubermensch was a major theme in Zoroastrian or Persian culture in not quite the same way it existed in others. Today we see the idea re-emerge repeatedly in the Super Hero or the constant expectation of A Good President. It existed in the idea of the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire as well or in the Papacy and many other things. It seems like the annointing and spiritual transfer is Jewish but it likely had its origins with the Persians.

Arabia, like what is today Saudi Arabia was like the backwards South in America, very late to be influenced by currents or trends and in many ways forgotten by the world due to being rather hard to reach and having no real important natural resources or military value. Due to being a rather out of the way stop, they were able to retain certain linguistic and cultural trends which were pre-historic and of extreme antiquity. They still recognized Attar in a male context when the whole world had taken to popularly shifting the theme to feminine for various regions. That puts them far back before the emergence of many late Empires which never reached them or cared to stay.

This is also why Arabic is one of the most useful ancient languages which is still living and is used to understand and translate Hebrew and Akkadian languages.

​​​​Since Arabia was almost in a time capsule, the Qur'an refers to things that would've made sense to people thousands of years before its apparent time, and really can represent a religion or proto-religion from which the later complex theology and cosmologies of the Mesopotamians and Canaanites and original Semitic peoples had develop from with less Indo-European influence.

That religion is also the Core of Biblical Diabolism as well as Egyptian Diabolism.
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The Persians also demonized Islam as under the influence of Ahriman just as Rudolph Steiner had implied much later and the Hindus considered in Asuric, and all these detractors were probably more right than they even understood in ways that become very esoteric and strangely true if studied carefully.

[kFoyauextlH]

A PM I wrote elsewhere:

" My inbox here is nearly full. If you would like to join www.ontic-philosophy.com , I am there and my inbox isn't full so I wouldbe able to send and receive more messages.

I'm not the biggest fan of this website or most Occult communities because they seem to be permeated by misinformation and people who really don't seem to care much so long as they believes or rather insist which like religious people holding to blind faith can be tedious and annoying since they become brick walls and no longer wish to see anything beyond the few modern and highly innacurate books they might have read and extremely poor research they did on Google when they were teenagers.

As you can see, I have a very poor impression of the quality of people and content on these sorts of websites, and even visiting and seeing what people say is really painstaking.

So after I am 3333 posts in a few short bouts which I may also use later, I tried to back off a bit because there seemed to be little of any hope to have these modern ideas sync up with Ancient or Mystical ones. The doorway is a heavy one to open, jammed by numerous authors trying to make a buck at the expense of flatly lying to people about everything possible.

Magic is now different from theology or religion, whereas in the past it was not. Magic was the religion and is the only religion there ever was, but a series of things happened which has now divided people on the issue and given them new meanings and words and nuances basedon their distaste for some things they have seen and their attraction to others.

The djinn or jinn, a word with a root meaning hidden or secret, the same root in jannah meaning paradise or enclosed or hidden garden, are not supernatural beings.

They are physical beings made of plasma among other things just as we are made of carbon matter. Plasma is described as smokeless fire and carbon matter is described as clay or dirt in the Quran.

They are visible and recordable and have hearing, sight, senses, and can speak.

They appear for the most part as a very fine gaseous membrane but can compress or ignite and become luminous or move very quickly or very slowly and have extreme flexibility like a gas. They also have electromagnetic qualities. I have dealt with them personally, they are not imaginary, anyone can see them. It requires no fakery of special vision or any of that foolishness made by those wishing to be special.

They also appear on heat vision and infared cameras and have a heat signature.

They live in forests and places where there is nearby food, for them their food is vapor and gasses, particularly flammable ones like methane released from rot and decay and fecal matter as well. They are attracted to places which use flammable chemicals for cleaning or paints as well and sometimes live in old homes, typically in attics and cellars or cabinets and other places. They can disperse their membrane widely and thus become very difficult to see except for being a fine mist or smoke or haze, but if one looks closely there is the appearance of little particles bouncing around which look like static or rain.

They are not psychic and have no magical powers. They only appear magical because people have forgotten about them or don't know much about them or their activities. They can not and do not come at the beck and call of people, triangles can't do anything to them. Their sensitivity to certain conditions is material and not based on anything superstitious.

The Jinn are not specific to Arabia but are the same as the Daemons made of Aer a heavy gas in Roman terminology, the Fae, the Elves, the Shin, and whatever else generally and also account for many of the ghost stories of white sheet sort of creatures and ghosts or balls of light and things seen in forests and swamps and heard there too or the speaking of little voices or whispers or strange things in caves.

The jinn also have their own technologies and have been a chain of evolution and innovation alongside human beings but their technologies are often unusable to humans and made specifically for this different kind of lifeform though they sometimes use metals to construct things. They have their own sorts of recreational items like cigarettes, weapons, alarm systems which are fully audible, and have imitated or influenced human society, politics, and organization in many senses, having religions, councils, corporations, wars, and whatever else, including law and nations and ethnicities or tribes and families. They have adapted as the world has adapted and in many ways only a little more advanced than humans, coveting technologies and not trusting everything in human hands, especially not that which can be used to harm them, and in many senses they are better protected by not being known and people thinking stupid things.

This is because they are highly fragile and easily harmed by flame and things which might disrupt their membrane or structure. For the most part, if they come around humans or human habitations, they stay high where people don't tend to look or notice a mist or smoke crawling against the celings or walls.

Their expertise in remaining stealthy has led them to be used by some as spies and agents who can also disrupt or sabotage things without being caught or noticed.

You can see what they sometimes look like in a video of a flustered local japanese jinn at the time of the tsunami, a video called strange creature tsunami or something maybe.

Now for Demonology and Diabolism, there is another story. Again you should join www.ontic-philosophy.com so that these messages don't fill up. It has an Occult section as well and seems to permit more free thought than Wizard Forums but you can just message me there.

The famous demons of the Solomonic stuff that everyone is crazy about and hallucinating regarding are the names of El or Allah of which there are 72 times 5 to make 360 or 27 times 4 to make 81 or tomes 5 to make 108. These are the 108 names of Shiva and Vishnu and whatever else too, the names of Ahura Mazda, the various emanations of Yazatas and Daevas from Zoroastrianism, and much more. They are the 72 Accomplices of Set associated with the 72 Malign Stars of China. They divide also into the 27 lunar mansions or Nakshatras, the 360 supposed idols of Ancient Mecca considered the first root settlement after people crossed over from Africa and the center of the world, 27 is also the number of the cube, and kabba means cube.

In any case, Occultism and Demonology stems from all this, the Canaanite religion or Semitic religion largely, besides the Indo-European Undercurrent, added to the Egyptian, plus the extras like Chinese and West African and then Native American and Meso-American being on the periphery and discovered a little later.

The three main influencers were the Semitic, the Hamitic, and the Japhetic or Indo-European, as crystalized in Phoenicia which is Canaan whose language and letters spread across the world as well as their astrology and astronomy. The Egyptian whose understanding of Time became highly popular, and the Vedic and Avestan whose mathematics and idealism or ideas of religious dualism and activism dominantly spread everywhere and influenced the idea of the Messiah or Savior figure as well through its popularity in Persia where the Jews were taken and picked up certain ideas.

The 360 degrees circle was extremely important and the numbers 72 and 27. 27 Hebrew and Greek letters and number indicators.

In any case, in order to neatly organize these elements and a great many associations, the emanations or extensions of El the Supreme and Ultimate were said to be 72 or 72 times 5 or 5 main with 2 extra leading to seven, seventy extended with two extra etc.

This idea was carried on in the Arabic and Jewish texts and also may have coincided or were joined with the Persian texts and seem to have similarities with Sanskrit texts and a direct relation to Greek thinking, which reached the Medieval people through Arab translations.

So we find names of God and Gods mentioned in the Bible and called demons. These relate to important root words which also appear in the epithets of Allah. There is 'mn or nhm and mlk and rmn, there is 'dr, the ' is representative of the glottal stop or uh sound which is aleph. Amon ( mentioned in Isaiah as Elhy Amen ) or Nahum who appears as Al Mu'min ( Mu is added to the front of things as the one who does or has, like Muslim is one who performs Islam ), Molech who appears as Al-Malik, Rimmon who appears as Rahman.

Medieval polemics and propaganda made Islam out to be Prime Satanism and Diabolism, without really having any proof for this claim and how it might really be true. Set also long before became associated with Chaos after Set or Sutekh was tied to the religion and beliefs of the Semitic people who had conquered them for a period and seem to have already had the idea of the many extensions of El or Uhlah, and had numbered them 70 or 72, the forms extended from Ashera or Right Ordering.

The people on Wizard Forums and most self-styled Occultists know little to nothing about any of this, and prefer to follow their fancies instead and have a general disdain for all things Islamic, yet they can't escape it really, because it takes them back repeatedly, in Astrology, Animal Symbolism, Astrotheology, Free Masonry, Illuminati symbolism, Alchemy, Lovecraftian writing, Warhammer the game, Theurgy, Greek or Classical Mythology and Philosophy, Mesopotamian Magic, The word Magi itself and things called Chaldean, the English language and literary history and traditions, Jewish and Christian Angelology and Demonology and Saintology.

The Saints that many call upon and the angels and the arch angels and whatever appropriate names people call upon lead back to the same, based on the meanings of their names, their supposed domains or categories and associations, and whatever else.

It is one extremely old system, mentioned in the Bible as each of the 72 nations having their own attributes and associations, stemming from and stirring circularly around a nuclear center at the center of the world's known landmass at the time known as Beth El or the House/Sanctum of Allah, and from around the world they return, reciting and thonking upon those same attributes and qualities which are most true for Allah alone."
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Haha it did that refreshing thing again just like before when I attempted to put the same stuff as before in the lost post again.

Someone is really not supposed to see it! I see i but then when I am ready to post it refreshes and wipes it all out.