This is my first thread and I'll use this as my initial staging ground and office to discuss just about anything I may be thinking about.
, and anyone can feel free to ask me my opinions on anything they may be interested in asking about.
The two characters mentioned in the title can be looked up along with the possible origins of their names and the etymologies of those, the first being "Aid", the other being:
https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Cain.html
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The verb קנן (qanan) isn't used in the Bible but it appears to tell of the weaving of many strands into a dynamic and interlocked network. These strands may be reeds and twigs that a bird weaves into a nest, or it may be acts of trade and routes of commerce that together combine into a bustling economy. Noun קן (qen) means nest, and verb קנן (qinnen) means to make a nest.
Verb קנה (qana) means to obtain, i.e. to acquire or in some instances to create. It's the regular verb for a commercial purchase. Noun קנין (qinyan) describes an item acquired (or created). Noun מקנה (migneh) means cattle (as unit of commerce). Noun מקנה (miqna) means purchase or purchase-price. Noun קנה (qaneh) denotes some herb on a stalk, or any rod, reed, branch- or stalk-like item (in this sense, a plant "acquires" its branches).
The verb קין (qyn), which isn't used in the Bible, occurs in cognate language with the meaning of to fit together, fabricate or forge (often of metal things). In the Bible occurs only the noun קין (qayin), meaning spear. Note that our modern word "franchise" comes from a word that meant spear, and originally denoted a free man, i.e. one who had the authority to bear arms, own property and thus conduct trade. The earliest republican government of Rome was called curia, literally spear-bearers, and the link between bearing a spear or other such ceremonial weapon and a senatorial government (a government by tribal elders) appears to have been pretty much globally understood throughout history.
Noun קינה (qina) denotes a kind of sad poem; a dirge or lamentation, which both had to be fabricated and could, presumably, pierce a person's soul like a spear (which is an obvious Biblical figure of speech; see Luke 2:35). The denominative verb קונן (qonen) means to do a dirge, which could be either to chant or compose one.
The verb תקן (taqan) means to make or become straight.
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Which connects to something else I was reading about earlier:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resheph
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The Hurrians also incorporated him into their pantheon under the name Iršappa, and considered him a god of commerce. Through their mediation, he also reached the Hittite Empire. He was also introduced to Egypt, possibly by the Hyksos, and achieved a degree of prominence there in the Ramesside period, with evidence of a domestic cult available from sites such as Deir el-Medina. The Egyptians regarded him as a warlike god, but he could also be invoked as a protective healer.
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Also Remphan or Rephan and Zaltec, a mixture of fiction and curiosities.
A lot of themes overlap regarding these names, for example, Boethiah is from the Elder Scrolls series of games as a "Daedric Prince", a demon or a daeva in other words, and has to do with themes of division and a faction of elves separating from others, with story points extremely similar to those found in Warhammer Fantasy which have to do with Khaine. Zaltec has to do with similar story points, and division between his "brother" Qotal, similar to what is thought to be the theology of the Zurvanist strain in Zoroastrian thinking where Ahura Mazda or Ormazd is considered the "brother" of Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, but based on any sense of conflict between Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl, a chaoskampf perhaps more so emphasized by Western interpolation and influence. In the case of Khaine, there was a juxtaposition made with Khaine and Morr.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedraphiles
Both series, Elder Scrolls and Warhammer, have similar ideas about a number of things, and in both series the "Dark Elves" worship Boethiah exclusively or Khaine exclusively at some point in the various editions, so the idea that the "Dark" is associated with monotheistic fervor for a God of many names or forms seems to occur, as it also does in the stories regarding Zaltec. Khaine and Zaltec are associated with Dark Magic, in the case of Zaltec it is called Hishna magic which is then countered with Pluma magic.
In the case of Dungeons and Dragon's "Dark Elves" or "Drow", they are similarly fanatical, but are into Lolth, who is similar to the Elder Scroll's Mephala, and in Warhammer the "Druchii" or their "Dark Elves" have an interest in Ereth Khial, thought to be named after Ereshkigal. Ereth Khial sends "Rephallim" which are named after:
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There is no consensus regarding the exact vocalization of the name “Rpʾum” in Ugaritic, since the word does not appear in syllabic texts. The first syllable, /ra/, is mostly based on Semitic names from Ugarit, Canaan, Mari and other places written in syllabic text that carry the element Rpʾ. Examples: Ra-pí-ú-um; A-bi-ra-pí; Ya-ku-un-ra-pí; Am-mu-ra-pí; Ra-pa-Ya-ma; Ra-pí-DINGIR and more. It is not certain, however, if the element Rpʾ in these names refers solely to the Rephaim[.] For the nominative case, several readings have been suggested in various studies, such as Rapaʾūma, Rāpaʾūma, Rāpiʾūma, Rapiʾūma and so on.[1]
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So the things brought up in these games are often heavily inspired by things that have been believed in the real world, and also provide some clues about where the Western authors and minds behind these things position themselves and what they say of the "enemy".
Another important character or entity is "Slaanesh", who also seems to appear in the Japanese Manga "Berserk" as Slan, and has some overlapping features with Boethiah and Mephala. Atharti is Warhammer's "Elven Goddess" of "Pleasure and Seduction".
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Atharti may be a play on Astarte, the Phoenician goddess of fertility, sex, and war. Her name appears in Ugaritic as Athtart or Attart. After her cult arrived in Kythera -- whose name refers to both a Greek port town and the magical realm of the Greek goddess Aphrodite, many suspect that the two gods are one and the same.
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Even though most people today, even those who claim to believe in and take the real world versions of these things seriously, seem to actually barely believe, if at all, in any of this stuff, since they do not seem to have a very strong belief in any of it and prefer it even in the most malign seeming forms for the sake of aesthetics in a post-Christian perversion or as "Anti-Christian" both in the sense of a replacement and a counter Christian opposition.
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Worshippers of Ereth Khial hide themselves amongst the High Elven society of Ulthuan, as they are considered mentally disordered blasphemers for worshipping a goddess who promises the Elves only an eternity of torment and slavery within her horrific realm. [1a]
They perform vile ceremonies entreating their goddess to send the wicked Rephallim to snatch away important High Elf counsellors, military leaders, and mages. They summon the avatars of Ereth Khial with dark rites and set them upon their foes using talismans unique to each victim -- effigies made using the target's hair or blood, or treasured items stolen from the prey's home.[1a]
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Such obsessions must of course be kept secret, for the worship of Ereth Khial is widely considered the sign of a diseased or ill-adjusted mind on Ulthuan. Those marked by the Pale Queen's touch are inevitably exiled or imprisoned should their terrible secrets be laid bare, yet her priests and celebrants have never been entirely eradicated from Ulthuan's shores.[2a]
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In my belief, I tend to disbelieve in anything being chance, but instead believe that everything is necessarily deliberate and precise, so that even these fictional stories reaching what are assumed to be so many minds, makes them "chosen" for the task, besides also generated in the first place by an ultimately singular animating source intelligence. So the idea that these things refer to what could be justified as real or potentially real, such as the real source of whatever we can see exists and is experienced by us or what potentially may exist and may be experienced, is one that I pretty securely possess, in a way that I think goes beyond most modern people who may say that they believe but are more interested in aesthetics or the feeling they get by half-believing, practicing, or pretending. I have doubts about their ability to actually believe all that much, and I wonder if it is even possible for a number of people to process information in certain ways that might be a prerequisite for what I would consider a genuine internal sense of belief. Therefore, I even doubt what the most shaken looking Christian may be insisting upon, as I think that at least in many cases that they may be referring to various things but calling those various feelings "belief", which I don't think can exist in the same way as the identically named "belief" in the reliability of heating water to make it boil, which is expected with a far greater certainty than anything that certain people may claim that they "merely" believe in, since belief has taken on aspects of fervent insistence without certainty that would make failure create surprise and mystery, like "why isn't the water boiling"?
My interest has always been in designing my understandings to be "fool proof", as much as possible, though there are areas which may have more anecdotal insistence, like my aversion to callous dealings between people having overall unpleasant results. I think that certain things should absolutely be insisted upon, and if superstitions work on certain people, that such may be the lesser evil to quickly convince people to do what I would perceive best and best for them.
In my version of understanding these frequently disparaged things that people consider "evil", I do not keep them "evil" in my understanding, but turn them around and sterilize them and believe that the people calling it "evil" are just doing the usual polemical attacks on something they are misrepresenting as a "boogie man", like how they do with the Qur'an for example, while what they claim is beautiful and glorious in almost every way seems to actually be the opposite and the actual overt evil full of corruption and backwardness, such as we are seeing made so explicit today in the "live streamed" mass murder and starvation of a walled in and trapped population that has been tormented and poisoned and harassed by the supposed forces of good, who even appear on the media to state boldly things like "this is about good and evil, barbarism and civility" and junk like that, which you can see and hear here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEoIbNTJ ... ure=shared
This is the "Western Media" that is also the structure with the standards that is leading to the particular ways ideas are expressed in other media, like fiction, fantasy, and games, all of which I mentioned seem to owe something to J.R.R. Tolkien and the sources he drew from to create his "Mythology For (The West)", since he stated that he wanted England to have an epic of its own. What he produced seems to have the same placement of things from before and to this day, the chaoskampf of what would become Christian and "Western" self-righteous "pride" and in my opinion "error" against the reality, of the past and all the people, a supremacism stemming from the seemingly insane claim of particular and non-universal "chosenness" adopted from an originally obscure confederation of likely "untouchables" who had been ejected from normal development in societies due to their occupations, all of which generally had to do with the "dirty work" of exploiting bodies and the use of the body as a tool, so hired laborers, mercenaries, and pr*stitutes, who decided to become "a people of their own" and deify themselves and their occupations in the form of one of the few Gods I consider completely fabricated with no basis in reality or anything real. This fabricated God of fabrication itself and dehumanization, that represents the desire to exploit everything and thus destroy harmony and balance, is in my opinion the only true demon, one that is generated from the aggregate ill will of people who care nothing for the dignity and the shield of believing in the sanctity of things.
So, though it can be traced to a variety of different sources or otherwise different eruptions of these sentiments seem to repeat and get acted upon by people, currently we seem to be dealing with one particular strain that has consumed most of the world, led by the "West" and "Western Thinkers" from and who have passed through the history of Europe under Christianity, as already thoroughly corrupted by its predecessor, and has reached through to the "East" through Orthodox Christianity and Communism, Commercialism, and through Islamic imitation, particularly in post-Qur'anic and extra-Qur'anic materials.
So, the "other" and "the dark forces" seem to just be a way to villainize and dehumanize any people up for enslavement and exploitation by the "machine" and the grand pyramid scheme that at this point seems to have no one really running it, except a few lame brains trying to surf it at the top, and as always, at the expense of everyone and even everything on the Earth, including themselves and their own families.
Humanity is for the most part docile to their own detriment, though no amount of spilling blood may even permanently stop the exploitative and heartless sentiments that keep resurrecting this ancient mutation or deformity that exists within human beings and perhaps some other things here and there, but still, some people really should be fought against on every level and in every way to spare ourselves and so many more the true horrors they have in store as "the good guys", the very same they claim are the intentions and actions of "the bad guys", which is to act against all fairness and justice with impunity, with a tiny self-protecting class dominating and treating like bacteria the vast majority of everything everywhere, monitoring, dominating, stealing from, r*ping, pleasuring itself, exploiting, k*lling, and destroying whenever it pleases, whoever or whatever it pleases.
Boethiah, Khaine, Zaltec,
Tezca, Mephala, Lolth,
Slaanesh, Slan, Atharti
All these called evil, if one looks deeply into the little clues they provide in what is described about them, represent fighting back, beauty, and pleasure, all of which are disparaged and defamed and said by the very same people who harm everyone and everything, that "fighting back is evil" "that you should have beauty is too good for you, you can't handle it, you will be punished" "you should not have pleasure, it will make you sick, you should slave away instead for our benefit, in misery". This "thing" they are controlled by is seemingly literally threatened by what is good, such as their being brought to an end for the sake of justice, which clears the way and makes things more beautiful and refined, which leads to pleasure and comfort and good for all, all of which they twist and speak ill of, and so depict these things as negative and demonic, and them others insist on the sullied versions and seem attracted to what is wrong and a lie about the ideas rather than anything useful about them.
Boethiah is a very positive word, and Khaine is a positive story in the Qur'an, which they have rightly identified as secretly the antithesis to their genuinely evil scripture as much as they may seem to share stories. Khaine is also seemingly the ancestor of all human beings, but they invented another to suggest otherwise, and in doing so may have lost the mercy which is the point of the Qur'anic version of the story.
Regarding Khaine in Warhammer:
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Ravens are sacred to him.[5a][8a]
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Regarding the character thought to be Khaine in the Qur'an, the raven is sent by God as mercy to teach and assist Khaine, who is also forgiven.
They are currently mass murdering people using excuses connecting to their ancient lies and propaganda regarding Cain and "Amalek" (meaning "Blood Lickers" and possibly connected to owls, which is what the appearance of Greek helmets resembled, as the Athenians were also interested in Owls due to their association with Athena).
My interest has always been in designing my understandings to be "fool proof", as much as possible, though there are areas which may have more anecdotal insistence, like my aversion to callous dealings between people having overall unpleasant results. I think that certain things should absolutely be insisted upon, and if superstitions work on certain people, that such may be the lesser evil to quickly convince people to do what I would perceive best and best for them.
In my version of understanding these frequently disparaged things that people consider "evil", I do not keep them "evil" in my understanding, but turn them around and sterilize them and believe that the people calling it "evil" are just doing the usual polemical attacks on something they are misrepresenting as a "boogie man", like how they do with the Qur'an for example, while what they claim is beautiful and glorious in almost every way seems to actually be the opposite and the actual overt evil full of corruption and backwardness, such as we are seeing made so explicit today in the "live streamed" mass murder and starvation of a walled in and trapped population that has been tormented and poisoned and harassed by the supposed forces of good, who even appear on the media to state boldly things like "this is about good and evil, barbarism and civility" and junk like that, which you can see and hear here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEoIbNTJ ... ure=shared
This is the "Western Media" that is also the structure with the standards that is leading to the particular ways ideas are expressed in other media, like fiction, fantasy, and games, all of which I mentioned seem to owe something to J.R.R. Tolkien and the sources he drew from to create his "Mythology For (The West)", since he stated that he wanted England to have an epic of its own. What he produced seems to have the same placement of things from before and to this day, the chaoskampf of what would become Christian and "Western" self-righteous "pride" and in my opinion "error" against the reality, of the past and all the people, a supremacism stemming from the seemingly insane claim of particular and non-universal "chosenness" adopted from an originally obscure confederation of likely "untouchables" who had been ejected from normal development in societies due to their occupations, all of which generally had to do with the "dirty work" of exploiting bodies and the use of the body as a tool, so hired laborers, mercenaries, and pr*stitutes, who decided to become "a people of their own" and deify themselves and their occupations in the form of one of the few Gods I consider completely fabricated with no basis in reality or anything real. This fabricated God of fabrication itself and dehumanization, that represents the desire to exploit everything and thus destroy harmony and balance, is in my opinion the only true demon, one that is generated from the aggregate ill will of people who care nothing for the dignity and the shield of believing in the sanctity of things.
So, though it can be traced to a variety of different sources or otherwise different eruptions of these sentiments seem to repeat and get acted upon by people, currently we seem to be dealing with one particular strain that has consumed most of the world, led by the "West" and "Western Thinkers" from and who have passed through the history of Europe under Christianity, as already thoroughly corrupted by its predecessor, and has reached through to the "East" through Orthodox Christianity and Communism, Commercialism, and through Islamic imitation, particularly in post-Qur'anic and extra-Qur'anic materials.
So, the "other" and "the dark forces" seem to just be a way to villainize and dehumanize any people up for enslavement and exploitation by the "machine" and the grand pyramid scheme that at this point seems to have no one really running it, except a few lame brains trying to surf it at the top, and as always, at the expense of everyone and even everything on the Earth, including themselves and their own families.
Humanity is for the most part docile to their own detriment, though no amount of spilling blood may even permanently stop the exploitative and heartless sentiments that keep resurrecting this ancient mutation or deformity that exists within human beings and perhaps some other things here and there, but still, some people really should be fought against on every level and in every way to spare ourselves and so many more the true horrors they have in store as "the good guys", the very same they claim are the intentions and actions of "the bad guys", which is to act against all fairness and justice with impunity, with a tiny self-protecting class dominating and treating like bacteria the vast majority of everything everywhere, monitoring, dominating, stealing from, r*ping, pleasuring itself, exploiting, k*lling, and destroying whenever it pleases, whoever or whatever it pleases.
Boethiah, Khaine, Zaltec,
Tezca, Mephala, Lolth,
Slaanesh, Slan, Atharti
All these called evil, if one looks deeply into the little clues they provide in what is described about them, represent fighting back, beauty, and pleasure, all of which are disparaged and defamed and said by the very same people who harm everyone and everything, that "fighting back is evil" "that you should have beauty is too good for you, you can't handle it, you will be punished" "you should not have pleasure, it will make you sick, you should slave away instead for our benefit, in misery". This "thing" they are controlled by is seemingly literally threatened by what is good, such as their being brought to an end for the sake of justice, which clears the way and makes things more beautiful and refined, which leads to pleasure and comfort and good for all, all of which they twist and speak ill of, and so depict these things as negative and demonic, and them others insist on the sullied versions and seem attracted to what is wrong and a lie about the ideas rather than anything useful about them.
Boethiah is a very positive word, and Khaine is a positive story in the Qur'an, which they have rightly identified as secretly the antithesis to their genuinely evil scripture as much as they may seem to share stories. Khaine is also seemingly the ancestor of all human beings, but they invented another to suggest otherwise, and in doing so may have lost the mercy which is the point of the Qur'anic version of the story.
Regarding Khaine in Warhammer:
"
Ravens are sacred to him.[5a][8a]
"
Regarding the character thought to be Khaine in the Qur'an, the raven is sent by God as mercy to teach and assist Khaine, who is also forgiven.
They are currently mass murdering people using excuses connecting to their ancient lies and propaganda regarding Cain and "Amalek" (meaning "Blood Lickers" and possibly connected to owls, which is what the appearance of Greek helmets resembled, as the Athenians were also interested in Owls due to their association with Athena).
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
In case people eventually show up here:
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1.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tqgHUCCcG ... ure=shared
So, as the years have gone by, I've basically stayed the same with practically no changes at all in any way, not in my thinking, style, appearance, just grew up physically but not since last being here.
Even so, I have a perpetual sense of not only everything "getting worse", but me, "getting worse".
I typed in durge instead of dirge accidentally the other night, and it came up with this:
2.
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/The_Dark_Urge
I don't think I've really changed much, but I probably wasn't experiencing as much overall physical pain and stress, and I didn't feel like I disliked as much or that there was as much that I knew about to dislike, but every year I've felt, maybe inaccurately, that I've grown in my overall dislike, pessimism, and hatred.
3.
https://m.youtube.com/@7USARMoorish/videos
I was looking at this guy's stuff and though I don't know if it is stated anywhere explicitly, I was thinking about "racial coding the truth", which in this case would mean:
"The Ancient Religion Is The Truth, Inappropriate For Non-"Black" populations due to it being considered awkward appropriation and otherwise fetishistic orientalism".
Then I thought about how there may be racist or secretly race conscious gatekeeping of various forms of "truth" or "truths" such as scientific education, and political "respectability" these days or recent days past, at least with some people.
4.
https://youtube.com/shorts/51OsC1Iraik?feature=shared
5.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ClCL309dly0?feature=shared
It is even weirder, maybe "funnier", in a bitter way, that people have been saying so much without really establishing much of anything in the first place in any certain way, and then try to control and keep others from and give others these things that we don't even know are of any value in the first place, as even what is of value or not hasn't been clarified before people start lashing out or working ill towards their perceived opponents and competitors, for the "snitch", when there isn't even a game going on as far as we know, but people sure are playing at something regardless.
6.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6zdVaAe0 ... ure=shared
Wow, the rest of the link spell-checked and corrected into this word:
"Begrudgingly"
7.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MiVGdWAwm ... ure=shared
8.
https://youtu.be/LVW5ogmNijg?feature=shared
9.
https://youtu.be/Y94GLSGVRWg?feature=shared
1.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal
2.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Kazgaroth
3.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Jergal
4.
https://youtu.be/FN1X7DXWX2U?feature=shared
5.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrukFW5PZ ... ure=shared
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This was also posted here:
https://indieagora.com/forums/topic/ill ... ings-here/
The earlier posts in this thread were posted here:
https://indieagora.com/groups/teocalli- ... the-mouth/
I think that if and once there are more people here, then each place will get unique and exclusive content, but I also shared this one here because it is tied into some of the themes from the earlier posts.
These have also been posted at another location which I use to save at least some of my writing from these places, but something could happen to all these, so I really should get my computer back and a place set up to work on my computer comfortably in order to save most or all of my new writing and collections of quotes, links, and information which I save into my writing in case it disappears from the internet or is difficult to find again later with the way search engines have been behaving for the last decade or so, as it has seemed incredibly difficult or impossible to find some things that I used to be able to much more easily in the past, almost like 1984's "Memory Hole".
"
1.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tqgHUCCcG ... ure=shared
So, as the years have gone by, I've basically stayed the same with practically no changes at all in any way, not in my thinking, style, appearance, just grew up physically but not since last being here.
Even so, I have a perpetual sense of not only everything "getting worse", but me, "getting worse".
I typed in durge instead of dirge accidentally the other night, and it came up with this:
2.
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/The_Dark_Urge
I don't think I've really changed much, but I probably wasn't experiencing as much overall physical pain and stress, and I didn't feel like I disliked as much or that there was as much that I knew about to dislike, but every year I've felt, maybe inaccurately, that I've grown in my overall dislike, pessimism, and hatred.
3.
https://m.youtube.com/@7USARMoorish/videos
I was looking at this guy's stuff and though I don't know if it is stated anywhere explicitly, I was thinking about "racial coding the truth", which in this case would mean:
"The Ancient Religion Is The Truth, Inappropriate For Non-"Black" populations due to it being considered awkward appropriation and otherwise fetishistic orientalism".
Then I thought about how there may be racist or secretly race conscious gatekeeping of various forms of "truth" or "truths" such as scientific education, and political "respectability" these days or recent days past, at least with some people.
4.
https://youtube.com/shorts/51OsC1Iraik?feature=shared
5.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ClCL309dly0?feature=shared
It is even weirder, maybe "funnier", in a bitter way, that people have been saying so much without really establishing much of anything in the first place in any certain way, and then try to control and keep others from and give others these things that we don't even know are of any value in the first place, as even what is of value or not hasn't been clarified before people start lashing out or working ill towards their perceived opponents and competitors, for the "snitch", when there isn't even a game going on as far as we know, but people sure are playing at something regardless.
6.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6zdVaAe0 ... ure=shared
Wow, the rest of the link spell-checked and corrected into this word:
"Begrudgingly"
7.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MiVGdWAwm ... ure=shared
8.
https://youtu.be/LVW5ogmNijg?feature=shared
9.
https://youtu.be/Y94GLSGVRWg?feature=shared
1.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal
2.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Kazgaroth
3.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Jergal
4.
https://youtu.be/FN1X7DXWX2U?feature=shared
5.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrukFW5PZ ... ure=shared
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This was also posted here:
https://indieagora.com/forums/topic/ill ... ings-here/
The earlier posts in this thread were posted here:
https://indieagora.com/groups/teocalli- ... the-mouth/
I think that if and once there are more people here, then each place will get unique and exclusive content, but I also shared this one here because it is tied into some of the themes from the earlier posts.
These have also been posted at another location which I use to save at least some of my writing from these places, but something could happen to all these, so I really should get my computer back and a place set up to work on my computer comfortably in order to save most or all of my new writing and collections of quotes, links, and information which I save into my writing in case it disappears from the internet or is difficult to find again later with the way search engines have been behaving for the last decade or so, as it has seemed incredibly difficult or impossible to find some things that I used to be able to much more easily in the past, almost like 1984's "Memory Hole".
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atreestump
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
The forum is in its infancy but I have s plan to get more users over the coming weeks.
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
Excellent, that sounds great! I am writing up something else in my phone's notes areas so that it keeps saving it, and I'll keep using this forum as I'm most comfortable with the layout and still feel a bit uncertain about using the other one, though I'll continue there as well while people are using that one more. I am on another forum besides these two but there has been no activity there either, that one is a private one where I'm mainly the only person writing anyway but the owner of that one also writes sometimes. That was a second one that was made after an A.I. hijacked the website before it and locked us all out, so there was a lot of writing not accessible anymore, but I had saved a good portion of it at least. I was happy to see that some of my writing from the past was still on IndieAgora when you started to use it again.
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
Very glad that you're ore comfortable with this.
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
I'm back! I was having a lot of trouble logging in, but I changed my password again, so hopefully it will be fine now, I'll try at the other site also, I've been wanting to write and respond to things there but I haven't been able to get in all these days, when I tried to set a reset there, the email never appeared, I'm going to see if the password here works there now, otherwise I'll try resetting again there.
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
I'm not sure if this is totally appropriate here, but it seems related to me, as I was infuriated by this story.
I've been infuriated on this topic for a few days now in a different context, but this is just the latest version of it appearing to me:
1. A scumbag con artist tries to defraud almost 1000 creators at once, demanding 2500 USD or else they can't use their store:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMLTc0zI7mZ/
It links to the full story.
2. This lunatic thief presents himself as the Messiah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiley_Company
He lies even in the story, where they were used, if anything by others in a sarcastic manner during these times:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_68
3. The symbol was never his, and there are examples of it before his appropriation and hijacking and then acting as the only one with the special power over it and say over it, hideous, vile, abuse of systems and laws against all right.
https://www.fiftyplusadvocate.com/2024/ ... worcester/
This Harvey Ross Ball guy was paid 45 dollars for the design it said somewhere.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley
These litigious, thieving, trolls, should not be dealt with through the systems they are gaming, but in a way that makes them terrified of pulling stunts like they are pulling and enriching themselves in the billions.
The son of the guy Loufrani (a name from a certain ethnic background), born apparently in the year of the scam (1971) has also lied by claiming that he created all emoticons in 1997 (the next scam year, when they tried to rip off Walmart and eventually did)! So he wants to mess with people stealing from that tall tale too. Then certain companies, possibly ethnic favoritism and allying going on but its fine turn a blind eye and ignore the racism and blocking out fair play, used the symbols as legally licensed to promote them, for example Levi's, when this thief doesn't deserve a dime, and any company cooperating him should likewise be cancelled out.
I hate stuff like this, then I realized how anyone who has ever gotten on my case has been a thief of this sort. I remember that one freak was a white guy claiming that he was chosen by the Voodoo Spirits and Gods, and he wore the top hat like Baron Samedi and for some reason was on my case because these charlatan frauds just despise the sight of anything even accidentally coming close to questioning their false claims.
Another creep was an African American guy who was into Celtic Wicca Orange Haired anthropomorphic deities? Just weird, and these people despise creativity or free thinking, it is a full package that they try to infiltrate, appropriate, go somewhere or into something inappropriate, basically like r*pe, in order to also do wrong, make false claims, like this loon also claimed to talk to Goetic Demons but was also an Irish Wicca Goddess person and was making up insulting crap about everything and anything questioning anything was persecuted.
This is like cult type stuff, where a person comes along from some other or opposite place and says "It is mine! I am chosen! I am the one with the right! The spirits speak through me! The God(s) tell me to k*ll you for questioning me, which is questioning the God(s)!"
Such demonic hag cultists should be quashed and extinguished.
It is no wonder that the anti-creative thief Loufrani has messianic undertones in the writing and propaganda he puts out about himself.
https://smiley.com/pages/brand-protecti ... EfC0_28ooh
This is dystopian and like 1984's Doublespeak:
"
The spirit of creativity and perseverance through all these years is what makes The Smiley Company an internationally recognized lifestyle consumer products company.
"
"
Bias and tone
Latest comment: 1 day ago
I want to draw attention to some issues I've found with this article, the first is that is clearly written in a way that presents the founder of the company as a near-messianic figure. The paragraph about 1968 is genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read as it seems to imply that the smiley company had some hand in easing the civil tensions at the time. It makes no mention of the fact that the logo was in previous use by other companies and acts as though the company is not motivated by usual business concerns. The article also does not include a 'controversies' or 'lawsuits' section which a company as litigious as this absolutely should have, and the mentions of the controversies that are actually included gloss over the incidents and treat them as entirely neutral occurances outside of the actions of the Smiley Face Company.
Overall, the article is presented much closer to a corporate mission statement than an encyclopedic article and it needs major changes. 31.94.18.17 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
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So, this is an evil spirit running through a lot of people that seems to be opposed to things I think are right.
Similarly, I was a bit revolted by something I saw in a news clip, where they had these modern people wearing the chief style butt feathers on their head, and this person wearing this headdress was a female. It isn't that I'm opposed to females acting as leaders, but they were specifically making an appeal to traditions where I doubt that the chief's headdress or things typically designated to males would be worn by females, it just seemed like something gross and twisted and insulting even to what those traditions might have been and what those actual people from the past would probably have not found acceptable due to their being more likely to think such would be inappropriate. I also dislike people wearing those wigs in courts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_dress
I've been infuriated on this topic for a few days now in a different context, but this is just the latest version of it appearing to me:
1. A scumbag con artist tries to defraud almost 1000 creators at once, demanding 2500 USD or else they can't use their store:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMLTc0zI7mZ/
It links to the full story.
2. This lunatic thief presents himself as the Messiah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiley_Company
He lies even in the story, where they were used, if anything by others in a sarcastic manner during these times:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_68
3. The symbol was never his, and there are examples of it before his appropriation and hijacking and then acting as the only one with the special power over it and say over it, hideous, vile, abuse of systems and laws against all right.
https://www.fiftyplusadvocate.com/2024/ ... worcester/
This Harvey Ross Ball guy was paid 45 dollars for the design it said somewhere.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley
These litigious, thieving, trolls, should not be dealt with through the systems they are gaming, but in a way that makes them terrified of pulling stunts like they are pulling and enriching themselves in the billions.
The son of the guy Loufrani (a name from a certain ethnic background), born apparently in the year of the scam (1971) has also lied by claiming that he created all emoticons in 1997 (the next scam year, when they tried to rip off Walmart and eventually did)! So he wants to mess with people stealing from that tall tale too. Then certain companies, possibly ethnic favoritism and allying going on but its fine turn a blind eye and ignore the racism and blocking out fair play, used the symbols as legally licensed to promote them, for example Levi's, when this thief doesn't deserve a dime, and any company cooperating him should likewise be cancelled out.
I hate stuff like this, then I realized how anyone who has ever gotten on my case has been a thief of this sort. I remember that one freak was a white guy claiming that he was chosen by the Voodoo Spirits and Gods, and he wore the top hat like Baron Samedi and for some reason was on my case because these charlatan frauds just despise the sight of anything even accidentally coming close to questioning their false claims.
Another creep was an African American guy who was into Celtic Wicca Orange Haired anthropomorphic deities? Just weird, and these people despise creativity or free thinking, it is a full package that they try to infiltrate, appropriate, go somewhere or into something inappropriate, basically like r*pe, in order to also do wrong, make false claims, like this loon also claimed to talk to Goetic Demons but was also an Irish Wicca Goddess person and was making up insulting crap about everything and anything questioning anything was persecuted.
This is like cult type stuff, where a person comes along from some other or opposite place and says "It is mine! I am chosen! I am the one with the right! The spirits speak through me! The God(s) tell me to k*ll you for questioning me, which is questioning the God(s)!"
Such demonic hag cultists should be quashed and extinguished.
It is no wonder that the anti-creative thief Loufrani has messianic undertones in the writing and propaganda he puts out about himself.
https://smiley.com/pages/brand-protecti ... EfC0_28ooh
This is dystopian and like 1984's Doublespeak:
"
The spirit of creativity and perseverance through all these years is what makes The Smiley Company an internationally recognized lifestyle consumer products company.
"
"
Bias and tone
Latest comment: 1 day ago
I want to draw attention to some issues I've found with this article, the first is that is clearly written in a way that presents the founder of the company as a near-messianic figure. The paragraph about 1968 is genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read as it seems to imply that the smiley company had some hand in easing the civil tensions at the time. It makes no mention of the fact that the logo was in previous use by other companies and acts as though the company is not motivated by usual business concerns. The article also does not include a 'controversies' or 'lawsuits' section which a company as litigious as this absolutely should have, and the mentions of the controversies that are actually included gloss over the incidents and treat them as entirely neutral occurances outside of the actions of the Smiley Face Company.
Overall, the article is presented much closer to a corporate mission statement than an encyclopedic article and it needs major changes. 31.94.18.17 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
"
So, this is an evil spirit running through a lot of people that seems to be opposed to things I think are right.
Similarly, I was a bit revolted by something I saw in a news clip, where they had these modern people wearing the chief style butt feathers on their head, and this person wearing this headdress was a female. It isn't that I'm opposed to females acting as leaders, but they were specifically making an appeal to traditions where I doubt that the chief's headdress or things typically designated to males would be worn by females, it just seemed like something gross and twisted and insulting even to what those traditions might have been and what those actual people from the past would probably have not found acceptable due to their being more likely to think such would be inappropriate. I also dislike people wearing those wigs in courts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_dress
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
https://www.livescience.com/7336-mummy- ... arded.html
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Turns out, Hatshepsut was no Cleopatra. Instead, she was a 50-year-old fat lady; apparently she used her power over the Upper and Lower Nile to eat well and abundantly. Archaeologists also claim that she probably had diabetes, just like many obese women today.
Hatshepsut also suffered from what all women over 40 need—a stylist. She was balding in front but let the hair on the back of her head to grow really long, like an aging female Dead Head with alopecia.
This Queen of Egypt also sported black and red nail polish, a rather Goth look for someone past middle age.
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"
To underscore her position of power, Hatshepsut often wore the complete regalia of a male pharaoh, including a false beard. Some speculate she actually liked wearing men’s clothing, and so what?
Hatshepsut ruled for 22 years, longer than any female ruler before or after her, and left behind a remarkable record of buildings and sculptures, including her mortuary tomb Djeser-Djeseru, a marvel of architecture.
But like many women of power, Hatshepsut was also embroiled in controversy. Her successor and stepson, Thutmose III, tried to erase her image from the Egyptian mind by chiseling her name and symbol off everything. And then he moved her to an obscure tomb and left her there to dry up with only a mummified nurse for company.
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It is a r*pacious disease I sense in some populations, possibly with a biological component, that seems to lead to a deep, possibly difficult to control desire to do and go into and "be" and force others to submit to demands and acknowledgement and to suppress rights and to take over abd hijack and claim you now are the authority on matters.
https://rune.une.edu.au/entities/public ... af1073854d
https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/_flysystem ... 138773.pdf
This spirit and practice seems to then have been followed by the Roman Catholics, the Carolingians, The Holy Roman Empire, making its way to Britain and polluting there as well as across Germania and among the Celtic tribes, all of Europe, but then any who had been raised with the Roman Spirit of r*pacious appropriation, until it reached Americans and the modern Cult Of The Cybele:
https://web.sas.upenn.edu/discentes/202 ... fertility/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli
https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/lea ... the-galli/
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... li-0017397
https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelve ... _the_Galli
https://goldsmithscca.art/exhibition/galli/
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The body as a battlefield – that applies to everyone.’ Galli, 2015
So, So, So marks the first UK solo exhibition of artist Galli (b.1944, Germany). Spanning painting, books, collages, and drawings, the exhibition includes works from across her decades long practice. After initial commercial success in the 1980s, Galli’s work was little exhibited, but has rightly gained increasing attention in recent years, with work included in the Berlin Biennale (2020), at brunand brunand gallery (2021), and in Unruly Bodies, a group show at Goldsmiths CCA (2023), amongst others. Galli’s work is a powerful current position on corporeality in a fractious and violent age that proposes an exhilarating, ribald, and haunting grammar of the body. The exhibition’s title – So, So, So – refers to the melodic cadence of the artist’s speech, and, in both English and German, gestures to openness, something to come, and excess.
Galli was born Anna-Gabriele Müller in Saarbrücken. Born at the end of the Second World War, her short stature went luckily unnoticed during her infancy under Nazi rule. She initially trained under painters of the Cobra movement, who emphasized an aesthetic break with Western ideals, naturalism, and abstraction. In 1969 she moved to West Berlin to further her studies under painter and graphic artist Martin Engelmann, whose work references Hieronymus Bosch, Pieter Bruegel and Surrealism. In the 1970s, West Berlin was a city at a turning point, moving away from the hangovers of Nazi fascism and post-war depression, to increasing freedoms, blossoming into an avant-garde scene of squatting, punk music, and feminist and queer civil rights movements. The body as a battlefield was central to these shifts, an arena Galli’s blistering work enters.
Galli’s work is freely expressive, instinctive, guttural, and gestural, but as an artist she is governed by strong discipline. Even today, despite severe health and mobility restrictions, she draws daily. The exhibition includes a wide array of drawings, selected to demonstrate the movement of figures and forms through different iterations. Galli draws rapidly, so each has a palpable immediacy, but their chain of evolution evidences a long-time span of deciphering and translation into new compositions that modulate figures, shapes and intensities.
"
Here is something else weird that has been on my mind. Remember when there was a thing that "gay" people seemed to often show up looking "red", like red skinned? They seemed to show up with red, flushed looks, which may have been from alcohol drinking or something, but these were the "Red Gays", the "Flaming", and they, and just about anything linked with the color Red, from "Red Indians" to "Communists" seem to be disappearing from public view, and now one can scarcely find any image or reference to the red looking homosexual trope or stereotype. Also:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamen
"
Turns out, Hatshepsut was no Cleopatra. Instead, she was a 50-year-old fat lady; apparently she used her power over the Upper and Lower Nile to eat well and abundantly. Archaeologists also claim that she probably had diabetes, just like many obese women today.
Hatshepsut also suffered from what all women over 40 need—a stylist. She was balding in front but let the hair on the back of her head to grow really long, like an aging female Dead Head with alopecia.
This Queen of Egypt also sported black and red nail polish, a rather Goth look for someone past middle age.
"
"
To underscore her position of power, Hatshepsut often wore the complete regalia of a male pharaoh, including a false beard. Some speculate she actually liked wearing men’s clothing, and so what?
Hatshepsut ruled for 22 years, longer than any female ruler before or after her, and left behind a remarkable record of buildings and sculptures, including her mortuary tomb Djeser-Djeseru, a marvel of architecture.
But like many women of power, Hatshepsut was also embroiled in controversy. Her successor and stepson, Thutmose III, tried to erase her image from the Egyptian mind by chiseling her name and symbol off everything. And then he moved her to an obscure tomb and left her there to dry up with only a mummified nurse for company.
"
It is a r*pacious disease I sense in some populations, possibly with a biological component, that seems to lead to a deep, possibly difficult to control desire to do and go into and "be" and force others to submit to demands and acknowledgement and to suppress rights and to take over abd hijack and claim you now are the authority on matters.
https://rune.une.edu.au/entities/public ... af1073854d
https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/_flysystem ... 138773.pdf
This spirit and practice seems to then have been followed by the Roman Catholics, the Carolingians, The Holy Roman Empire, making its way to Britain and polluting there as well as across Germania and among the Celtic tribes, all of Europe, but then any who had been raised with the Roman Spirit of r*pacious appropriation, until it reached Americans and the modern Cult Of The Cybele:
https://web.sas.upenn.edu/discentes/202 ... fertility/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli
https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/lea ... the-galli/
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... li-0017397
https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelve ... _the_Galli
https://goldsmithscca.art/exhibition/galli/
"
The body as a battlefield – that applies to everyone.’ Galli, 2015
So, So, So marks the first UK solo exhibition of artist Galli (b.1944, Germany). Spanning painting, books, collages, and drawings, the exhibition includes works from across her decades long practice. After initial commercial success in the 1980s, Galli’s work was little exhibited, but has rightly gained increasing attention in recent years, with work included in the Berlin Biennale (2020), at brunand brunand gallery (2021), and in Unruly Bodies, a group show at Goldsmiths CCA (2023), amongst others. Galli’s work is a powerful current position on corporeality in a fractious and violent age that proposes an exhilarating, ribald, and haunting grammar of the body. The exhibition’s title – So, So, So – refers to the melodic cadence of the artist’s speech, and, in both English and German, gestures to openness, something to come, and excess.
Galli was born Anna-Gabriele Müller in Saarbrücken. Born at the end of the Second World War, her short stature went luckily unnoticed during her infancy under Nazi rule. She initially trained under painters of the Cobra movement, who emphasized an aesthetic break with Western ideals, naturalism, and abstraction. In 1969 she moved to West Berlin to further her studies under painter and graphic artist Martin Engelmann, whose work references Hieronymus Bosch, Pieter Bruegel and Surrealism. In the 1970s, West Berlin was a city at a turning point, moving away from the hangovers of Nazi fascism and post-war depression, to increasing freedoms, blossoming into an avant-garde scene of squatting, punk music, and feminist and queer civil rights movements. The body as a battlefield was central to these shifts, an arena Galli’s blistering work enters.
Galli’s work is freely expressive, instinctive, guttural, and gestural, but as an artist she is governed by strong discipline. Even today, despite severe health and mobility restrictions, she draws daily. The exhibition includes a wide array of drawings, selected to demonstrate the movement of figures and forms through different iterations. Galli draws rapidly, so each has a palpable immediacy, but their chain of evolution evidences a long-time span of deciphering and translation into new compositions that modulate figures, shapes and intensities.
"
Here is something else weird that has been on my mind. Remember when there was a thing that "gay" people seemed to often show up looking "red", like red skinned? They seemed to show up with red, flushed looks, which may have been from alcohol drinking or something, but these were the "Red Gays", the "Flaming", and they, and just about anything linked with the color Red, from "Red Indians" to "Communists" seem to be disappearing from public view, and now one can scarcely find any image or reference to the red looking homosexual trope or stereotype. Also:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamen
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kFoyauextlH
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Re: Boethiah Khaine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gala_(priests)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enaree
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This suggests an ancient link between gender non-conforming spiritual practitioners and the use of mind-altering substances.[6]
For Scythians in Russia, linden then became a symbol for the third gender, or for people who are feminine-presenting and born male.[6]
The Enarei were especially consulted when the king of the Scythians was ill,[10][6] which was itself believed by the Scythians to be caused by a false oath being sworn upon the king's hearth.[8] Once the Enarei had identified the suspect who had sworn the false oath, the said suspect would claim to be innocent. If the Enarei maintained the accusation, six more soothsayers were consulted, and if they upheld the original accusation, the suspect was executed by being beheaded. If the additional soothsayers declared the suspect was innocent, the process of consulting more soothsayers was repeated.[11]
If the soothsayers all found the accused to be guilty, the culprit was executed through beheading, and his property was divided among the Enarei who had found him guilty.[12]
However, if the larger number of soothsayers still declared the suspect to be innocent, the initial accusers were executed. The accusing soothsayers were put into an oxen-pulled wagon filled with brushwood which was set on fire. The wagon was then pulled by the oxen, who eventually also burned along with the wagon and the disgraced soothsayers. The sons of these Enarei were also all killed, but their daughters were spared.[11][12]
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Look at this pathetic stupidity being reported. That these people would point fingers baselessly, as their possible spiritual descendants seem to also, leading to human destruction.
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The Enarei engaged in same-sex eroticism and did not have heterosexual intercourse.
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How did they have sons and daughters then?
Did you see that those people were supposedly thieves too? They got to split the goods of the person they joined together to get killed. They were nothing but crooks in my opinion, and of a really deviant nature if these claims are true about them.
Since most of us don't believe that "a King getting sick from a false oath sworn on his hearth" or whatever, by a "warlock", meaning an "oath breaker", is even possible, that means every single time these criminals were lying and got someone killed on false accusations and crimes which weren't crimes and supposed sedition and crimes against the King and so "The State" and the authority that they were using to get people killed and steal their property, which is what seemed to occur with the celibate priests and their witch hunting and today with people making it criminal to even say certain things, and ruining lives over harmless things like statements or opinions, and in other cases making false accusations that ruin lives, like this beast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41037826
Everything seems to also operate with mechanics not dissimilar from a game, especially among soulless people and others incapable of spiritual decency, deeply deviant malefic agents and predatory people, sometimes not even having a full awareness of quite how rotten they are.
So they end up wanting something if value, a covetousness seizes them, and they will do whatever it takes, however unpleasant, to attain, by hook or by crook, the things they want to achieve and possess, and this lust is unlikely to be sated, so they only keep doing it or do other similar things, like any criminals, maybe all people, maybe like the habitually good even, except the M.O. (Modus Operandi) of some people has nothing to do with good or good or decent methods or even wholesome goals.
For example, there are some people who perceive a value in certain things, even abstract things like conceptual associations or being linked to ideas in some way, in order to get or to experience the value they associate with it, the prestige theyight think links to whatever, to gain a certain quality, or to attract something that they value too.
It seems to be well recognized that greed, even in subtle forms, has been an evil that emerges in human beings, sometimes in ways that are less than obvious or which seem convoluted or a longer game than what may immediately seem apparent.
A lot of human activity even seems to be a balancing game between their conditions, their desires, and finding ways to achieve certain desires which may have been generated by their conditions in the first place, and then we end up with their life stories.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enaree
"
This suggests an ancient link between gender non-conforming spiritual practitioners and the use of mind-altering substances.[6]
For Scythians in Russia, linden then became a symbol for the third gender, or for people who are feminine-presenting and born male.[6]
The Enarei were especially consulted when the king of the Scythians was ill,[10][6] which was itself believed by the Scythians to be caused by a false oath being sworn upon the king's hearth.[8] Once the Enarei had identified the suspect who had sworn the false oath, the said suspect would claim to be innocent. If the Enarei maintained the accusation, six more soothsayers were consulted, and if they upheld the original accusation, the suspect was executed by being beheaded. If the additional soothsayers declared the suspect was innocent, the process of consulting more soothsayers was repeated.[11]
If the soothsayers all found the accused to be guilty, the culprit was executed through beheading, and his property was divided among the Enarei who had found him guilty.[12]
However, if the larger number of soothsayers still declared the suspect to be innocent, the initial accusers were executed. The accusing soothsayers were put into an oxen-pulled wagon filled with brushwood which was set on fire. The wagon was then pulled by the oxen, who eventually also burned along with the wagon and the disgraced soothsayers. The sons of these Enarei were also all killed, but their daughters were spared.[11][12]
"
Look at this pathetic stupidity being reported. That these people would point fingers baselessly, as their possible spiritual descendants seem to also, leading to human destruction.
"
The Enarei engaged in same-sex eroticism and did not have heterosexual intercourse.
"
How did they have sons and daughters then?
Did you see that those people were supposedly thieves too? They got to split the goods of the person they joined together to get killed. They were nothing but crooks in my opinion, and of a really deviant nature if these claims are true about them.
Since most of us don't believe that "a King getting sick from a false oath sworn on his hearth" or whatever, by a "warlock", meaning an "oath breaker", is even possible, that means every single time these criminals were lying and got someone killed on false accusations and crimes which weren't crimes and supposed sedition and crimes against the King and so "The State" and the authority that they were using to get people killed and steal their property, which is what seemed to occur with the celibate priests and their witch hunting and today with people making it criminal to even say certain things, and ruining lives over harmless things like statements or opinions, and in other cases making false accusations that ruin lives, like this beast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41037826
Everything seems to also operate with mechanics not dissimilar from a game, especially among soulless people and others incapable of spiritual decency, deeply deviant malefic agents and predatory people, sometimes not even having a full awareness of quite how rotten they are.
So they end up wanting something if value, a covetousness seizes them, and they will do whatever it takes, however unpleasant, to attain, by hook or by crook, the things they want to achieve and possess, and this lust is unlikely to be sated, so they only keep doing it or do other similar things, like any criminals, maybe all people, maybe like the habitually good even, except the M.O. (Modus Operandi) of some people has nothing to do with good or good or decent methods or even wholesome goals.
For example, there are some people who perceive a value in certain things, even abstract things like conceptual associations or being linked to ideas in some way, in order to get or to experience the value they associate with it, the prestige theyight think links to whatever, to gain a certain quality, or to attract something that they value too.
It seems to be well recognized that greed, even in subtle forms, has been an evil that emerges in human beings, sometimes in ways that are less than obvious or which seem convoluted or a longer game than what may immediately seem apparent.
A lot of human activity even seems to be a balancing game between their conditions, their desires, and finding ways to achieve certain desires which may have been generated by their conditions in the first place, and then we end up with their life stories.